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4 minutes ago, 4REAL said:

 

THO announced (on Oct31) a PRELIMINARY EARNINGS RELEASE DATE for Nov27 (see link)

http://ir.thorindustries.com/press-release-and-events-calendar/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/Thor-Announces-Preliminary-Earnings-Release-Date-q118/default.aspx

ER date should be confirmed next week

 

Correct.  My mistake.  Will correct my post...

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PANW:  I did jump into this at the open today and am out with a 22% gain.  I knew it had good back-test results and saw it moving early so got on board with it.  Not my best process but it worked this time.

 

And I'm going to hold INTU through the weekend and exit on Monday.  Appears to be a strong pattern of gain on the day of earnings.  

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2 hours ago, krisbee said:

ON Travel. my GTC filled for 15% profit. right now it should be more than 22%.

I'm happy with 100% success rate. 5 out of 5.

MAR, NVDA, AMAT, INTU, ADI

You know how to pick 'em -- these were all great trades.  But not fair if you're not going to share in the losers --  lol

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5 hours ago, NikTam said:

PANW:  I did jump into this at the open today and am out with a 22% gain.  I knew it had good back-test results and saw it moving early so got on board with it.  Not my best process but it worked this time.

 

And I'm going to hold INTU through the weekend and exit on Monday.  Appears to be a strong pattern of gain on the day of earnings.  

Was that the pre-earnings call on PANW you traded? I opened the Nov24 143 call on the 15th for $4.40 and closed this morning for $5.60, so about 27% after commissions. However, I closed it early because I had some things to take care of the rest of the day and literally less than 5 minutes after I closed it, it jumped to a bid of $6.20 (my original GTC sell order price). I saw that it went even higher later in the day. Also, I closed INTU call for an 8.6% gain.

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16 hours ago, NikTam said:

You know how to pick 'em -- these were all great trades.  But not fair if you're not going to share in the losers --  lol

none of these are my finds. Following Ophir Gottlieb in twitter is enough to find these. I read it, validate it using volatilityhq site, share it here for others, put 1% of my portfolio on these calls. I have 1 to 2 position maximum at any given time. 

 

 

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Interesting.  I think most if not all these have been on talked about on this forum.  I think Ophir is stalking.  :-)

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@greenspan76 yes - pre-earnings trade.  I paid $6.10 for the 145 about 30 min into open on Friday and my GTC sell order triggered at 7.40.  I think it went to 7.60.  A near perfect trade in my book - a one-day wonder.   

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3 hours ago, krisbee said:

none of these are my finds. Following Ophir Gottlieb in twitter is enough to find these. I read it, validate it using volatilityhq site, share it here for others, put 1% of my portfolio on these calls. I have 1 to 2 position maximum at any given time. 

 

 

How do you validate through volatilityhq ?

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4 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

How do you validate through volatilityhq ?

I was going to ask the same question....I just started membership ($5 per month) but still investigating how to best use it.

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1 minute ago, siddharth310584 said:

How do you validate through volatilityhq ?

From day of entry to exit day --> #1. check the gamma gains #2. if gamma gain is less and RV increase, if either of these 2 conditions is good in minimum 6 out of 8 cycles, I'll consider getting into the trade. 

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2 minutes ago, krisbee said:

From day of entry to exit day --> #1. check the gamma gains #2. if gamma gain is less and RV increase, if either of these 2 conditions is good in minimum 6 out of 8 cycles, I'll consider getting into the trade. 

Doesn't it do ATM RV of straddles though ? Some of these are 40 delta calls. 

what do you mean by 2. Do you compare gamma gains to RV increase ?

 

@NikTam, is volatilityhq only $5 a month. I thought it was 50.

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3 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

Doesn't it do ATM RV of straddles though ? Some of these are 40 delta calls. 

what do you mean by 2. Do you compare gamma gains to RV increase ?

 

@NikTam, is volatilityhq only $5 a month. I thought it was 50.

You're right.  I'm thinking of something else -- autochartist?  Too many indicators, subscriptions, etc.  going on....

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6 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

Doesn't it do ATM RV of straddles though ? Some of these are 40 delta calls. 

what do you mean by 2. Do you compare gamma gains to RV increase ?

 

@NikTam, is volatilityhq only $5 a month. I thought it was 50.

I thought ivhq was only good for straddles.  Not delta 40 calls (or verticals).

 

@krisbee could you post a graphic of the results you're looking at?  And can you back-test the ones that didn't do well.  I'm very curious to find out how effective an overlay this might be to CML back-testing.

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On 11/18/2017 at 1:26 PM, NikTam said:

I thought ivhq was only good for straddles.  Not delta 40 calls (or verticals).

 

@krisbee could you post a graphic of the results you're looking at?  And can you back-test the ones that didn't do well.  I'm very curious to find out how effective an overlay this might be to CML back-testing.

volatilityhq site is not working right now. But I got one example for u to explain.

 

See 8 out of 9 cycles, consistent gamma gains. So far I have nothing that didn't go well w.r.t this. I don't have CML subscription to compare.

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, krisbee said:

volatilityhq site is not working right now. But I got one example for u to explain.

 

See 8 out of 9 cycles, consistent gamma gains. So far I have nothing that didn't go well w.r.t this. I don't have CML subscription to compare.

 

THO.png

 

This is very interesting.  Some of my trades that did not work out well were:  YUM EXC ADP RBC  How did these look based on your RV chart?

2017-11-04_12-47-20.jpg

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3 hours ago, NikTam said:

This is very interesting.  Some of my trades that did not work out well were:  YUM EXC ADP RBC  How did these look based on your RV chart?

2017-11-04_12-47-20.jpg

So you are looking only for stock price increase, not decrease right. A decrease would help straddle but would hurt 40 delta calls.

How do you use it for RV as the second check ?

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4 hours ago, NikTam said:

This is very interesting.  Some of my trades that did not work out well were:  YUM EXC ADP RBC  How did these look based on your RV chart?

2017-11-04_12-47-20.jpg

@NikTam

I can look into this when the site is back up. However, for a 40 delta call, won't you expect the results to be inline. The way that goes up is is the stock price increases and if CML says the trade has been successful in the last 6/8 cycles, I would expect this to be in line with that. They just would be different views on the same data. He is using this instead of CML but I don't see anything here that would be a further confirmation needed for a trade that pops up in CML. What do you think ?

 

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@siddharth310584 I think you are probably right - if gamma is a direct equivalent of price movement.  And @krisbeeis satisfied with min 75% success over 2 years (8 cycles).  Which is what I look for also for a minimum score.  And the losers I mentioned all met that minimum as I scanned for opportunities.  He’s done fewer of these than I have so it may just be a reversion to the mean for him in future - unless he’s doing something that is significantly improving the odds.  I thought it might be ivhq but likely it is not.  

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One thing that might be interesting is looking at the chart to see what day from earnings there is an uptick on. For example, I looked at DE (whose earnings are coming back) and at t-7 to t-6 (t being earnings), there has been an increase in stock price 7/8 times even though around that, its been fairly up/down. CML confirms this with a backtest. I don't know if this is overfitting but it may help determine some candidates to look at which may not have a multi day trade. I see from your spreadsheet, some trades are 1-2 days anyways. I am not sure if this will work but can keep an eye out and let you know in the future.

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11 hours ago, siddharth310584 said:

One thing that might be interesting is looking at the chart to see what day from earnings there is an uptick on. For example, I looked at DE (whose earnings are coming back) and at t-7 to t-6 (t being earnings), there has been an increase in stock price 7/8 times even though around that, its been fairly up/down. CML confirms this with a backtest. I don't know if this is overfitting but it may help determine some candidates to look at which may not have a multi day trade. I see from your spreadsheet, some trades are 1-2 days anyways. I am not sure if this will work but can keep an eye out and let you know in the future.

I think this is a very interesting idea.  I'm also wondering if IVHQ is still available for $49 to SO members?  I am seeing a $99 price on the website.  @Djtux?

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31 minutes ago, NikTam said:

I think this is a very interesting idea.  I'm also wondering if IVHQ is still available for $49 to SO members?  I am seeing a $99 price on the website.  @Djtux?

There is a coupon available for a limited time at the top of the volatilityhq official thread : https://steadyoptions.com/forums/forum/topic/3885-wwwvolatilityhqcom-official-thread/ 

 

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stock: MRVL

Earnings: 11/28/2017

I'm planning to enter 30 delta call if it meets my limit order. Either today or tomorrow.

 

Got few for 30cents

    BOT    MRVL Dec01'17 21 CALL    0.30    USD    CBOE2    10:45:39   
 

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1 hour ago, Sirion said:

Closing INTU at some point today. Earnings AC.

Same here.  INTU living up to its reputation for 0-day-before-earnings gains.

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38 minutes ago, krisbee said:

stock: MRVL

Earnings: 11/28/2017

I'm planning to enter 30 delta call if it meets my limit order. Either today or tomorrow.

 

Got few for 30cents

    BOT    MRVL Dec01'17 21 CALL    0.30    USD    CBOE2    10:45:39   
 

Sold for 50% profit in 30 mins. 45 cents.

 

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29 minutes ago, krisbee said:

stock: MRVL

Earnings: 11/28/2017

I'm planning to enter 30 delta call if it meets my limit order. Either today or tomorrow.

Interesting price action this morning based on buyout of rival Cavium I assume.  I will also wait a bit for direction.  CML back-test indicates to me that a 40/20 vertical improves the probability numbers without too much hit to profitability.  I also added a 40% profit exit which gives best 3 year results.

http://tm.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=20171120162242_0DZkleQW9HI3pEjZ

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Just now, NikTam said:

I assume the 1 Dec?

I'm liking the 30 min chart.

I mentioned earnings is 11/28. So default expiration is dec 1 unless weekly is not available.

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7 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

What price would you buy at now ?

MRVL -- I have a GTC at .35 for a single 1 DEC 21 call -- will not get filled unless it bounces back down. 

I also have GTC at .28 for a 1 DEC 21/22 Vertical. 

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4 minutes ago, NikTam said:

MRVL -- 1 DEC 21/22 Vertical filled at .34  -- I increased my offer from .28  My GTC exit is set at .47 for hoped for 40% gain.

What delta's did you use. From your back test, it looks like none of them have a very high win %. Most have 7-4/

 

Did you buy21 and sell 22 calls ?

 

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Just now, siddharth310584 said:

What delta's did you use. From your back test, it looks like none of them have a very high win %. Most have 7-4/

 

Did you buy21 and sell 22 ?

 

Yes.  

I think the chart trumps the CML back-testing sometimes.  And I would not do a trade based solely on CML.  I want to see the charts and indicators and the news that may be affecting pricing.

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INTU PE Momentum Call.  Exited half of my position for 29% net gain.  Waiting to see if there's any more gas in the tank!

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On 11/17/2017 at 2:40 PM, krisbee said:

Stock: THO

Earnings is: Nov 11/27/2017

Very good Probability of 40 Delta call entering 1 week ahead.

I got into it yesterday, I'm 40% up on it so far.

    BOT    THO Dec15'17 135 CALL    3.40    USD    PSE    NOV 16 15:23:55   
 

Sold THO.

1st position for 70%+ profit.

2nd position for 40%+ profit.

THO.png

 

This makes 7th successful CML trades (7 out of 7)

MAR, NVDA, AMAT, ADI, INTU, THO, MRVL

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1 minute ago, siddharth310584 said:

How did you find the marvel trade ? And what made you pull the trigger on the tho trade before the specified entry date ?

I mentioned few times here, I follow CML news + I use volatilityhq site to make decision on gamma gains.

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51 minutes ago, krisbee said:

Sold for 50% profit in 30 mins. 45 cents.

 

I kept few and sold it for 100+ percent profit. it could have been more, what else can I ask for 1-2 hour profit.

mrvl.png

 

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18 minutes ago, krisbee said:

I mentioned few times here, I follow CML news + I use volatilityhq site to make decision on gamma gains.

Can you post the VHQ chart for MRVL?  I may have to sign up for that....

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On 11/20/2017 at 12:29 PM, NikTam said:

Can you post the VHQ chart for MRVL?  I may have to sign up for that....

Note: for a 21$ stock, if it goes 1 to 1.5$ up in last few days, imagine how much the 40 delta calls boosts up. that's the decision for getting into the trade.

 

 

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On a trade like MRVL I just look at the price oscillation and pick a number on the lower end of the spectrum.  I'm afraid I don't have any math or science to back it up.  I think some platforms -- IB? -- provide a price history of options but not sure if that would include verticals.

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1 minute ago, krisbee said:

Note: for a 21$ stock, if it goes 1 to 1.5$ up in last few days, imagine how much the 40 delta calls boosts up. that's the decision for getting into the trade.

 

mrvl.png

This definitely adds some color to the CML back-testing!

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      How to Trade Options Before Earnings in Broadcom Limited (NASDAQ:AVGO)

       
      How to Trade Options Before Earnings in Broadcom Limited (NASDAQ:AVGO)
      Date Published: 2017-05-15 

      PREFACE 
      Trading options in a short window before earnings are released benefits from the rising implied volatility but avoids the risk into the actual earnings release and also avoids any kind of stock direction risk. 

      This approach has returned a annualized rate of 198%. Now that's worth looking into. 

      STORY 
      Everyone knows that the day of an earnings announcement is a risky event for a stock. This can be explicitly seen in the option market, where the implied volatility (the expected stock move) rises into the earnings event. 

      The question every option trader, whether professional or amateur, has long asked is if there is a way to profit from this known volatility rise. It turns out, that over the long-run, for stocks with certain tendencies like Broadcom Limited (NASDAQ:AVGO) the answer is actually, yes. 
       
      Yes, there is a systematic way to trade this repeating phenomenon, without making a bet on earnings or stock direction.

      THE SET UP 
      What a trader wants to do is to see the results of buying an at the money straddle a few days before earnings, and then sell that straddle just before earnings. The goal, is two-fold: (i) to benefit from that known implied volatility rise, and (ii) to own the straddle for a very short period of time when the stock might move 'a lot,' but taking no earnings bets. 

      If either of those two phenomena occur, there's a very good chance this wins, if neither occur, the amount risked is normally quite small. Here is the setup: 
       


      We are testing opening the position 6 days before earnings and then closing the position 1 day before earnings. This is not making any earnings bet. This is not making any stock direction bet. 

      Once we apply that simple rule to our back-test, we run it on an at-the-money straddle: 

      RETURNS 
      If we did this long at-the-money (also called '50-delta') straddle in Broadcom Limited (NASDAQ:AVGO) over the last three-years but only held it before earnings we get these results: 
       
      Long At-the-Money Straddle * Monthly Options * Back-test length: three-years * Open 6-days Before Earnings * Close 1-day Before Earnings * Holding Period: 5-Days per Earnings   Winning Trades: 5 Losing Trades: 7 Pre-Earnings Straddle Return:  17.1%  Annualized Return:  102% 
      We see a 17.1% return, testing this over the last 12 earnings dates in Broadcom Limited. That's a total of just 60 days (5 days for each earnings date, over 12 earnings dates). That's a annualized rate of 102%. 

      We can also see that this strategy hasn't been a winner all the time, rather it has won 5 times and lost 7 times, but here's the key -- it wins about half of the time, but the average gain per winning trade is substantially larger than the average loss on a losing trade: 
       


      Consistently Successful 
      This idea has also been a successful approach over the last two-years:
      Long At-the-Money Straddle * Monthly Options * Back-test length: two-years * Open 6-days Before Earnings * Close 1-day Before Earnings * Holding Period: 5-Days per Earnings   Winning Trades: 4 Losing Trades: 4 Pre-Earnings Straddle Return:  22%  Annualized Return:  198% 
      Now we see a 22% return, testing this over the last 8 earnings dates which is a annualized rate of 198%. 

      Yet again, we see a trade that wins about half the time, but the average win is much larger than the average loss: 
       


      If you really want to see how we found this, and how to do it for other stocks like Apple, Google and Amazon, here is a 1-minute and 34-second video that every professional option trader would rather that you don't see. 

      Learn more here: Try the Back-tester Yourself

      WHAT HAPPENED 
      There are patterns to stock behaviors before and after earnings and those patterns reveal opportunities in the option market, without taking the actual risk of earnings. You can find them, stock by stock. This is how people profit from the option market -- it's preparation, not luck. 

      To see how to do this for any stock we welcome you to watch this quick demonstration video: 
      Tap Here to See the Tools at Work

      Thanks for reading. 

      Risk Disclosure 
      You should read the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options. 

      Past performance is not an indication of future results. 

      Trading futures and options involves the risk of loss. Please consider carefully whether futures or options are appropriate to your financial situation. Only risk capital should be used when trading futures or options. Investors could lose more than their initial investment. 

      Past results are not necessarily indicative of future results. The risk of loss in trading can be substantial, carefully consider the inherent risks of such an investment in light of your financial condition. 

      Back-test Link
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Ophir Gottlieb
      The Secret Behind Options Pre-Earnings Trading in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC)
       
       
      Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC): The Wonderful Secret Behind Options Pre-Earnings Trading
      Date Published: 2017-05-4

      PREFACE 
      There is a wonderful secret to trading options right before earnings announcements in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) , and really many stocks, that benefits from the rising implied volatility but avoids the risk into the actual earnings release and also avoids any kind of stock direction risk. 

      THE WONDERFUL SECRET 
      What a trader wants to do is to see the results of buying an at the money straddle a few days before earnings, and then sell that straddle just before earnings. 

      The goal, is two-fold: (i) to benefit from that known implied volatility rise, and (ii) to own the straddle for a very short period of time when the stock might move 'a lot,' but never take the risk of actually owning options during the earnings release. 

      If either of those two phenomena occur, there's a very good chance this wins, if neither occur, the amount risked is normally quite small. Here is the setup: 
       


      We are testing opening the position in Intel Corporation 6 days before earnings and then closing the position right before earnings. This is not making any earnings bet. This is notmaking any stock direction bet. 

      Once we apply that simple rule to our back-test, we run it on an at-the-money straddle: 

      RETURNS 
      If we did this long at-the-money (also called '50-delta') straddle in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) over the last three-years but only held it before earnings we get these results: 
       


      We see a 47.8% return, testing this over the last 12 earnings dates in Intel Corporation. That's a total of just 72 days (6 days for each earnings date, over 12 earnings dates). That's a annualized rate of 242%. 

      We can also see that the win/loss rate is split with 6-wins and 6-losses, yet the return is enormous. That means the winning trades are much larger than the losing trades, which is exactly what a successful trading strategy attempts to do. No magic bullets -- rather smart methodologies for wealth creation. 

      MORE TO IT THAN MEETS THE EYE 
      While this strategy is benefiting from the implied volatility rise into earnings for Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC), what it's really doing is far more intelligent. 

      The ideal stocks for this strategy have a couple of common characteristics: 

      (i) The companies rarely pre-announce earnings -- this is an investment that does not look to make an earnings bet, so an earnings pre-announcement is the opposite of what we're hoping for. 

      (ii) The underlying stock price of these companies tend to move a lot (or some) as earnings approach and various institutions and traders shuffle the stock price around in anticipation of the earnings result. The more one sided the outside world starts betting on direction -- up or down, the better it is to own the straddle. 

      WHAT HAPPENED 
      This is it -- this is how people profit from the option market -- it's preparation, not luck. 

      Test the results on Apple Inc and Alphabet Inc, and the results are staggering. 

      To see how to do this for any stock and for any strategy with just the click of a few buttons, we welcome you to watch this quick demonstration video: 
      Tap Here to See the Tools at Work 

      Thanks for reading. 

      Risk Disclosure 
      You should read the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options. 

      Past performance is not an indication of future results. 

      Trading futures and options involves the risk of loss. Please consider carefully whether futures or options are appropriate to your financial situation. Only risk capital should be used when trading futures or options. Investors could lose more than their initial investment. 

      Past results are not necessarily indicative of future results. The risk of loss in trading can be substantial, carefully consider the inherent risks of such an investment in light of your financial condition. 

      The author has no position in Intel Corporation Inc (NASDAQ:INTC) as of this writing. 

      Back-test Link (does require custom earnings settings).
       
       
       
       
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