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Thanks for the responses, I see that many are in the same boat as me - if they're so good, why can't we find more people using them?

 

I dug around and here's some more info which makes me feel better about them (I only want them for execution, don't need fancy tools for analysis as I'm using SO for that)

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/4kueu6/opinions_on_tradier/

 

Went through 10 pages of google hits and that's about it.

 

As one article said, maybe they're not mentioned much because their use is through their API via various other platforms.

 

The discussion here https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/tradier-brokerage.284178/

 

about where they send orders is a bit worrying, but I don't know if it applies to small fry like us, or whether the info is current

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Some members posted feedback:

https://steadyoptions.com/forums/forum/topic/3318-tradier-brokerage-special-offer/

 

Why there is not as much information available? I guess they are not as good in marketing and hype as Sosnoff.. At $40/month, I would give it a try, definitely before tastyworks. I spoke with their CEO few times on phone, he sounds like a decent and honest guy who managed to build a great platform without too much hype.

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1 hour ago, 4REAL said:

Cost of transaction is not everything

 

Some of the things I consider before opening acc:

 

1. Solvency of the broker, I guess if you change from TOS or IB, you won't improve yourself.

 

2. Liquidity/ Fills, say you do 1000 contracts (or 500 spreads) per month and have to pay an average of 0.01 more (compared to IB or TOS) to get filled, your monthly cost would be 40$/month flat fee + 500$ 

 

3. Platform

 

 

1. and 2. are holding me back to open an account for now.

But if you do 1000 contracts, you will pay $750 with IB (much more with TOS), so even with slightly worse fills (which is still questionable) you will still save money.

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Wanted to share my experience with Tastyworks, I've been trading with a small account there for about a couple weeks now. The commissions are great, $1.15/contract to open, $0.15/contract to close, no ticket charge. Depending on what instrument you are trading, the fills are excellent if you are trading highly liquid stocks, fb, spy, qqq, and I mean really good, better than IB for this type of liquidity. For other instruments it does get worse, but still good. In my opinion it is far better than TOS and can compete with IB.

The tastyworks platform windows version, well, still has quite a few bugs they need to work on, sometimes my order won't cancel for example, or it does cancel but I am not notified. Sometimes I put in an order but it doesn't appear as submitted but it was. The web platform is great. I always end up using it to make sure everything went through as it should. I expect them to continue working hard on the desktop version.

 

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I wasn't sure but read some of the information on http://reviewtastyworks.com , signed up, and haven't regretted it since. Fees are reasonable, especially for smaller traders. Orders fill great. And the drag and drop system for contract placement and planning is fantastic. I'm happy.

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Tom started Tastyworks because the new CEO of TD Ameritrade would not honor the agreement he had with Fred Tomczek that he be pail 6 Million a year not to open a brokerage firm, he did not want to open another brokerage firm but his CFO Christy talked him into it

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Unsure if they trade there own money? Demo account or venture money they use as a tastytrade account. Odd how the accounts for different shows like Katie and Nick started with the same balance. Tony actually emailed me that he shares account with Tom. They also did an amazon trade on tastyworks prior to official sec brokerage date. Must be demo trading.  Refuses to show p/l as Tom has been short the market at 1550. They make money as creating businesses inside the space not trading results. Stay clear of the nonsense.

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Yeah, who knows if they really make any money. I've heard Tom say he's been losing money all year so many times over the years (because he's always short the market and carrying negative delta's) that he probably really is losing money - always. But I will say, TastyWorks is a fantastic platform, I love it. Certainly better than E*Trade and Fidelity that I also have. I'm just here to learn more since i'm not 100% satisfied with TastyTrade.

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A big thank you to @LloydC247 for helping me out.

I wrote to tastyworks regarding fills. Here is what TT wrote back... I am posting it here so that other members can read it and hopefully it will help. I will highlight/bold the takeaway...
 

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Thank you for the screenshots. The straddle trade that you are trying to place is a spread trade. The quotes that you receive from our platform are the national best bid and best offer from 18 exchanges across the US. The problem is that once you submit a spread trade, such as your straddle trade, that trade can only be placed on one of the 18 exchanges. This limits the number of market makers who are able to see the trade. One option for you would be to cancel and then resubmit the order in the hopes that you get the trade shifted to another exchange where it may have a better chance to get filled. Additionally, order entry time also determines who will get a fill and who will not. If 100 clients all submit an order to buy a straddle at the same price, the priority will be given to the client that submitted the order first. If only 30 orders to sell the straddle are submitted then obviously the first 30 out of the 100 would get the fill first and the other 70 would not get a fill. These are the potential issues that you could be seeing that are preventing you from receiving an order fill.

 

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On 2/5/2018 at 6:21 PM, Maji said:

A big thank you to @LloydC247 for helping me out. Here is what TT wrote back... I am posting it here so that other members can read it and hopefully it will help. I will highlight/bold the takeaway...

Thank you for the screenshots. The straddle trade that you are trying to place is a spread trade. The quotes that you receive from our platform are the national best bid and best offer from 18 exchanges across the US. The problem is that once you submit a spread trade, such as your straddle trade, that trade can only be placed on one of the 18 exchanges. This limits the number of market makers who are able to see the trade. One option for you would be to cancel and then resubmit the order in the hopes that you get the trade shifted to another exchange where it may have a better chance to get filled. Additionally, order entry time also determines who will get a fill and who will not. If 100 clients all submit an order to buy a straddle at the same price, the priority will be given to the client that submitted the order first. If only 30 orders to sell the straddle are submitted then obviously the first 30 out of the 100 would get the fill first and the other 70 would not get a fill. These are the potential issues that you could be seeing that are preventing you from receiving an order fill.

This is the big difference between IB and other brokers. And this is what TT won't tell you normally. IB smart routing - https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1685:

  • Unlike smart routers from other online brokers, IB SmartRouting never routes and forgets about your order. It continuously evaluates fast changing market conditions and dynamically re-routes all or parts of your order seeking to achieve optimal execution and maximize your rebate.
  • IB SmartRouting represents each leg of a spread order independently and submits each leg at the best possible venue.

 

 

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I've signed up for a Tastyworks account and have a small balance there trading alongside IB.  I did this because their commissions are 1/3 cheaper (.10 vs. .15) on IB, which can make a large difference.

 

Their software is not as intuitive as IB or TOS, but it's not hard to use.

Yesterday, I was stunned because I was consistently getting better fills on TW than IB.  For instance, on the BUD trade:

1.  I entered my order on IB;

2.  I then entered by order on TW at a LOWER price (by .02);

3.  The TW order filled, the IB did not.

This happened to me on BUD, JD, and HPQ.  I could not get a full position in HPQ on either platform.  I was ready to permanently write off IB.

Today has been a little different, as they have each performed almost identically.  When I was re-entering BUD, I immediately got a handful of contracts on IB filled, then entered by order on TW at a better price, but got no fills.  When I moved it to match the IB price, I also did not get any fills.  Over the next 20 minutes or so, I bumped the price up a .01 or .02 - they'd each give me partial fills at the same price.  So today, I'd say performance was about even on fills.

 

I'm going to track this for about a month.

 

And yes, it's a pain to trade two platforms.

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@cwelsh I use Tastytrade and their fills have been worse than IB... at least from what I have observed. I have often complained about that on here and to TT staff. I think there are some cases where you may get better fills, but as Kim mentioned earlier, IB's smart routing is the way to go. FYI, I just have a small account and I don't trade large sizes... so YMMV.

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45 minutes ago, Maji said:

@cwelsh I use Tastytrade and their fills have been worse than IB... at least from what I have observed. I have often complained about that on here and to TT staff. I think there are some cases where you may get better fills, but as Kim mentioned earlier, IB's smart routing is the way to go. FYI, I just have a small account and I don't trade large sizes... so YMMV.

Do you enter the trades simultaneously or price bid them against each other?  Here's day two's report:

 

1.  On BUD - no difference in the two.  I got back into the trade when it was near 107.  Entered IB at 5.31 with no fill.  Then entered on TW at 5.30, no fill.  Bumped TW to 5.31 and got 9/30 contracts filled.  Right after those 9 got filled (as in within one second), I got 253/300 contracts filled on IB.  After that neither got filled more.  I bumped the prices up to 5.33 on both platforms over the next hour but got no further fills.  BUD dropped closer to 106 so I cancelled the rest of the orders.  I find it VERY odd that 9/30 got filled on TW THEN 253/300 were filled on IB.  Clearly they were on different exchanges.  Evaluation - TIE;

2.  HPQ - exited my 21 straddle from yesterday.  STC order on IB at 1.33, no fill.  Submitted at 1.34 at TW, no fill.  Moved TW to 1.33, then 1.32, where I got a full fill.  I immediately moved the IB order to 1.32, but nothing.  Took lowering the price to 1.30 to get the order filled.  Evaluation - TW;

3.  LOW Straddle/Strangle - Entered Straddle on IB at 6.11, no fill.  Entered Straddle on TW at 6.10, no fill.  Bumped TW to 6.11, nothing.  Moved IB to 6.12 got 200/250 contracts filled.  Moved TW to 6.12 instantly got 50/50 filled.  Within a blink of an eye the rest of the IB order was also filled at 6.12.  Evaluation - TIE.  HOWEVER, on the strangle side, IB ended up .02 better.  Evaluation on strangle -- IB.

 

Today was not near as clear cut as yesterday, wherein TW was better 6/6 times. 

Today was a clear push.

 

But if we trade on average 10,000 contracts per month, that's a $500 per month difference by staying with TW - at 100,000 contracts it's $5,000.00 (and actually a little more than that with how IB's tier system is working out).  That's not a small amount.  IB will have to be BETTER, not "close" or a "draw" to stick with them.

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3 hours ago, cwelsh said:

Do you enter the trades simultaneously or price bid them against each other?  Here's day two's report:

 

1.  On BUD - no difference in the two.  I got back into the trade when it was near 107.  Entered IB at 5.31 with no fill.  Then entered on TW at 5.30, no fill.  Bumped TW to 5.31 and got 9/30 contracts filled.  Right after those 9 got filled (as in within one second), I got 253/300 contracts filled on IB.  After that neither got filled more.  I bumped the prices up to 5.33 on both platforms over the next hour but got no further fills.  BUD dropped closer to 106 so I cancelled the rest of the orders.  I find it VERY odd that 9/30 got filled on TW THEN 253/300 were filled on IB.  Clearly they were on different exchanges.  Evaluation - TIE;

2.  HPQ - exited my 21 straddle from yesterday.  STC order on IB at 1.33, no fill.  Submitted at 1.34 at TW, no fill.  Moved TW to 1.33, then 1.32, where I got a full fill.  I immediately moved the IB order to 1.32, but nothing.  Took lowering the price to 1.30 to get the order filled.  Evaluation - TW;

3.  LOW Straddle/Strangle - Entered Straddle on IB at 6.11, no fill.  Entered Straddle on TW at 6.10, no fill.  Bumped TW to 6.11, nothing.  Moved IB to 6.12 got 200/250 contracts filled.  Moved TW to 6.12 instantly got 50/50 filled.  Within a blink of an eye the rest of the IB order was also filled at 6.12.  Evaluation - TIE.  HOWEVER, on the strangle side, IB ended up .02 better.  Evaluation on strangle -- IB.

 

Today was not near as clear cut as yesterday, wherein TW was better 6/6 times. 

Today was a clear push.

 

But if we trade on average 10,000 contracts per month, that's a $500 per month difference by staying with TW - at 100,000 contracts it's $5,000.00 (and actually a little more than that with how IB's tier system is working out).  That's not a small amount.  IB will have to be BETTER, not "close" or a "draw" to stick with them.

cwelsh, One of things I am unsure about with Kim's approach is the low number of contracts traded.I know Kim is only doing 3-5 contracts, in order to stay within the 10% allocation of a $10K portfolio. I need more than that to make SO a meaningful portion of the portfolio I am responsible for. So I was surprised and interested in your volumes. Are you typically trading 300+ contracts in many of the SO straddle trades? Thank you.

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Chris is our SteadyOptions fund manager. 

For retail accounts, we still don't recommend going higher than 100k.

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I have been trade with TW about 6months and have smaller account than my IB acct. For execution quality, sometimes TW has better execution than IB. It happened with my last 2 cycles for PCLN calendar. With identical limit price on both IB and TW, TW got filled but IB didn't. My main concern about TW, it hasn't OCO/OCA function yet that very helpful to me for placing calendar spread. I often enter many calendar order with different strikes for high price stock, such as PCLN, GOOG, etc. So, i can conclude that execution quality between IB and TW is not much different. 

Capped commission on TW also give some edge if we want to play with cheap calendar or more than 10 contracts on single leg. This cycle, i played with SWKS 1-week put calendar for around .20 Debit for each spread. Let's say with 10K portfolio, it need 25 spreads for half allocation ($500). With IB, it takes around $65-$70 comm for round-turn. With TW, it "only" takes around $25 round turn due to free comm to close.

So, my conclusion that TW still has much room for improvement on their platform and has bright future if the comm structure doesn't change. But, i will stick my large acct with IB due to company stability.

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I've done some trading on TW.  Overall it's been a good experience.  Though I haven't done any really scientific analysis.

A couple small problems though: I've posted somewhere in the forums before (perhaps a month ago?) that their bid/ask quotes (during normal trading hours) have been at times very inconsistent (out of range) when compared to other brokers (and compared to the fills I've been able to get).  To that previous post I would add that on one hectic market day I watched the B/A numbers settle after hours (til 4:15), and when they finally froze for the night they were pretty far off, which was annoying because it left my account balances (which were based on B/A quotes) way out of sync dollar-wise.  And then that carries over into the next day's opening balance, which makes it hard to determine gain/loss figures for throughout the day (at least while the trade is still open).

Another issue I've had is once I tried to BTO 300 SPY calls and got rejected for some size issue (I forget the exact message, but it wasn't very explicit) - I reduced the lot to 250 and that worked.

I do like their new price model.  Earlier I was going to mention to @cwelsh about the Tradier/SO arrangement to save on trading fees, but I'm sure he is well aware of that.

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It’s good to see with real fills that Apex (TW, Tradier and Robinhood) is performing as well as if not better than IB.  This goes a long way in debunking the myth IB continuous to perpetuate about their smart routing/fills in an attempt to justify their high commissions and poor customer service.

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I agree that IB customer service is terrible, but they are still way cheaper than most brokers. And for international clients, this is often the only choice.

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There is sometging changed lately with tradier and apex fills.. I missed half of the trades last few months of so because of the fills... Last 30 days.. I was able to get all the so trades filled verry close to the official trade prices.. 

 

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25 minutes ago, apsoccermd said:

There is sometging changed lately with tradier and apex fills.. I missed half of the trades last few months of so because of the fills... Last 30 days.. I was able to get all the so trades filled verry close to the official trade prices.. 

 

I have noticed recent improved execution with Tradier as well.  It is likely because Apex eliminated Liquidpoint and Susquehanna as destinations and now send the vast majority of limit option orders to Citadel and Wolverine.  Yesterday was a good example.  I opened the CRM trade after Kim opened the Discussion but before he placed the trade (which was less than an hour apart).  Therefore, it was likely Kim and I were trying to get filled during the same time period.  I was filled at 6.08 on the straddle vs. the official trade of 6.13 (I opened a different short strangle so I can't compare there).

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10 minutes ago, SBatch said:

I have noticed recent improved execution with Tradier as well.  It is likely because Apex eliminated Liquidpoint and Susquehanna as destinations and now send the vast majority of limit option orders to Citadel and Wolverine.  Yesterday was a good example.  I opened the CRM trade after Kim opened the Discussion but before he placed the trade (which was less than an hour apart).  Therefore, it was likely Kim and I were trying to get filled during the same time period.  I was filled at 6.08 on the straddle vs. the official trade of 6.13 (I opened a different short strangle so I can't compare there).

Good to know..its ctazy to think that citadel gives us a good fill... But i will take it

 

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On 2/17/2018 at 10:11 AM, SBatch said:

I have noticed recent improved execution with Tradier as well.  It is likely because Apex eliminated Liquidpoint and Susquehanna as destinations and now send the vast majority of limit option orders to Citadel and Wolverine.  Yesterday was a good example.  I opened the CRM trade after Kim opened the Discussion but before he placed the trade (which was less than an hour apart).  Therefore, it was likely Kim and I were trying to get filled during the same time period.  I was filled at 6.08 on the straddle vs. the official trade of 6.13 (I opened a different short strangle so I can't compare there).

Maybe I should take the credit :) It is a tongue in cheek comment, so take it in that spirit.

I kept on complaining and emailing them screenshots and lists of trades that I did not get filled when others here got filled even when I placed the trade earlier than them... thanks to the various members here who shared the screenshots of their fills so that I can send it to Tasty.

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1 hour ago, SBatch said:

TastyWorks has dramatically improved their commissions and accepts many international clients:

https://tastyworks.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2802397-international-accounts

They have much improved pricing for 2018 with capped option commissions (plus reg fees):

https://tastyworks.com/pricing.html#capComm

 

So far I'm really satisfied with them. Their platform tastyworks is lacking some features, like complex order and advanced charting. I asked them about paper trading; they told me sometimes this year it's coming.

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How is their mobile platform?  A good android app is really important to me.  I'm with TOS right now and the commissions are killing me.

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1 minute ago, Andrew said:

How is their mobile platform?  A good android app is really important to me.  I'm with TOS right now and the commissions are killing me.

Their mobile platform is very good for the most part. When the app first came out, there were bugs everywhere. As time went on, those bugs have been fixed, but quality control still remained (and probably still is) an issue. It's almost like they don't really test out their updates before releasing them. The app has been pretty stable for the past half year now, so maybe they've refined their process now, but I'm still a bit leery. Although I no longer use Tastyworks (using Tradier currently), I still use the TastyWorks app to look at prices and stuff. It's great that they have both curve and table view. 

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5 minutes ago, Andrew said:

How is their mobile platform?  A good android app is really important to me.  I'm with TOS right now and the commissions are killing me.

I prefer to never have to use a mobile app.  That may involve closing trades early or missing trades completely if I won't have access to my computer.  I am OK with that.  That being said, I have used the TastyWorks app and it's pretty good.  They try to make it mimic the desktop client as much as possible.

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22 minutes ago, PGAmbrosio said:

I prefer to never have to use a mobile app.  That may involve closing trades early or missing trades completely if I won't have access to my computer.  I am OK with that.  That being said, I have used the TastyWorks app and it's pretty good.  They try to make it mimic the desktop client as much as possible.

Funnily enough, I do all my trading on my phone =)

 

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(I meant "trading" in the sense of managing positions and putting in orders. Supplemental stuff like looking at news, RV graphs, and steadyoptions happen on my work desktop)

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@akito I can't imagine trading through the Tradier website on your phone.  I suppose that it has made you better in mentally visualizing the trades?  Come to think of it that is always a viable option as well, but I am not very comfortable doing so.  Practice makes perfect?

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4 minutes ago, PGAmbrosio said:

@akito I can't imagine trading through the Tradier website on your phone.  I suppose that it has made you better in mentally visualizing the trades?  Come to think of it that is always a viable option as well, but I am not very comfortable doing so.  Practice makes perfect?

Yes, it's definitely a little more difficult with Tradier when compared with TastyWorks on the phone, but I've made it work.

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Does anyone know if tastyworks quotes are live streaming? I was told they are from the rep, but when I’m using the desktop and mobile platform there’s significant delays, no movement for a while compared to TOS which I also have. Which TOS are live streaming quotes.

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On 2/17/2019 at 6:20 AM, Gen88 said:

Does anyone know if tastyworks quotes are live streaming? I was told they are from the rep, but when I’m using the desktop and mobile platform there’s significant delays, no movement for a while compared to TOS which I also have. Which TOS are live streaming quotes.

Yes I have noticed this too. The Mid price of Tastyworks seems to be nearer the Nat price then TOS too at times. I use TOS paper trading though but from my understanding , orders at TOS papertrading are filled with realtime prices.

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On 2/16/2019 at 4:20 PM, Gen88 said:

Does anyone know if tastyworks quotes are live streaming? I was told they are from the rep, but when I’m using the desktop and mobile platform there’s significant delays, no movement for a while compared to TOS which I also have. Which TOS are live streaming quotes.

They say they're live, but it's not uncommon for me to notice live quote differences between Tastyworks, TOS, and IB.  I regularly see that.  Part of it can be due to how they display prices (for instance, last time I checked, TOS used the best price for low/high ACROSS option exchanges -- so you might not even get filled at ask on a straddle.

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2 hours ago, cwelsh said:

They say they're live, but it's not uncommon for me to notice live quote differences between Tastyworks, TOS, and IB.  I regularly see that.  Part of it can be due to how they display prices (for instance, last time I checked, TOS used the best price for low/high ACROSS option exchanges -- so you might not even get filled at ask on a straddle.

The broker isn't able to grab the best price for separate legs of a straddle from different exchanges?

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11 hours ago, tribalblu said:

I don't get your question..

When there is no volume you could never execute a paper trade at real time prices. Therefore whatever papertrade fill they are giving you is their best guess of what would happen if a trade were inserted in the pipeline. The exception is extremely liquid options of say AAPL or TLT where generally there is continual trading on like for stocks. A lot of our trades however the midprice can be very misleading and in the absence of an actual trade at the moment of your paper trade you cannot be sure that the paper fill is realistic.

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I get what you meant now. I was comparing the same underlying option contracts. At TOS paper trades, when I get a notification that an order is filled I will immediately switch to the Tastyworks apps to see if the actual price of the options at Mid-price of the same underlying is similar or better. Most of the time, the price is lagging behind by a minute or more. It might not be the best way to conduct an actual comparison as I lack a Live TOS account. If anyone has both LIVE accounts, it would be great if you could share here.

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      At SteadyOptions, buying pre-earnings straddle options is one of our key strategies. Check out our performance page for full results. As you can see from our results, the strategy works very well for us. We don't do studies, we do live trading, and our results are based on hundreds real trades.
       
      Of course the devil is in the details. There are many moving parts to this strategy:
      When to enter? Which stocks to use? How to manage the position? When to take profits? And much more.
       
      So we will let tastytrade to do their "studies", and we will continue trading the strategy and make money from it. After all, as one of our members said, someone has to be on the other side of our trades. Actually, I would like to thank tastytrade for continuing providing us fresh supply of sellers for our strategy!
       
      If you want to learn more how to use it (and many other profitable strategies):
       
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    • By Stephan Haller
      But with undefined risk strategies comes theoretical unlimited risk. Therefore it is crucial that you follow the rules I pointed out in my books and which are mentioned about almost every day on tastytrade
      Rules:
      do not use more than 40 - 50% of your available capital on your overall portfolio do not use more leverage than 3x notional of your net liq (if you have a $100k account, don't go over $300k notional) manage at 21 DTE to avoid gamma risk manage your strangles at 50% of max profit and your straddles at 25% of max profit. spread your risk among lots of uncorrelated underlyings commit capital based on IVR or the VIX (high VIX risk up to 50% on your overall portfolio, if VIX is low, risk less) Now let's have a look at what you can expect in profit if you sell different type of strangles/straddles:
       
      16 Delta Short Strangles:
      tastytrade has shown in a study that you can expect to keep 25% of the daily theta if you sell 16 delta short strangles in SPY, IWM and TLT.



      Image source: tastytrade  
      Let's have a look at how much contracts you could sell, until you exceed 50% of your capital in margin requirement and/or 3x notional leverage and how much money you would make in a full year.

      For the study I was using August 13th 2019 closing prices. Although the percentage of theta you can expect to keep is higher than 25% in SPY and IWM, I was using the 25% number, to be more conservative.
       
      SPY 16 Delta Strangles


      As you can see, if you just sell 16 delta short strangles in SPY, you can expect to make 9.11% in profit, if you go up to 3x notional leverage.

      IWM 16 Delta Short Strangles


      As you can see, if you just sell 16 delta short strangles in IWM, you can expect to make 10.93% in profit, if you commit 50% of your buying power.
       
      Now let's have a look at short straddles. 

      tastytrade has shown in a study that you can expect to keep 40-50 % of the daily theta if you sell atm short straddles in SPY.
       

      Image source: tastytrade
      Let's have a look at how much contracts you could sell, until you exceed 50% of your capital in margin requirement and/or 3x notional leverage and how much money you would make in a full year.

      For the study I was using August 13th 2019 closing prices.
      For the daily theta you can expect to keep, I was using 45% as the tastytrade suggested.
       
      SPY Short Straddles


      As you can see, if you just sell atm short straddles in SPY, you can expect to make 18.13% in profit, if you commit 46.83% of your buying power.

      IWM Short Straddles


      As you can see, if you just sell atm short straddles in SPY, you can expect to make 25.25% in profit, if you commit 48.12% of your buying power.

      Since we want to diversify our portfolio, let's have a look at the 5 most uncorrelated underlyings, which I showed in my first book.

      For these examples I was using today's (August 14 2019) prices right at the open.

      GLD Short Straddles


      TLT Short Straddles


      FXE Short Straddles


      IWM Short Straddles


      XLE Short Straddles




      In the next article I will show you how to build a portfolio with these five underlyings and how to commit your capital based on the VIX, so that you don't get wiped out in a move we experience at the moment.

      Stephan Haller is an author, teacher, options trader and public speaker with over 20 years of experience in the financial markets. Check out his trilogy on options trading here. This article is used here with permission and originally appeared here.


       
    • By Kim
      Who Was Karen the Supertrader?
      Karen Bruton, known better as Karen the Supertrader, is a former hedge fund manager who became famous after multiple appearances on the Tastytrade live show.
       
      Bruton started as a novice retail trader who knew virtually nothing about trading and became a multimillionaire in a handful of years. Specifically, she turned $110,000 into $41 million between 2008 and 2011 using basic option selling strategies.
       
      Following her massive personal trading success, Karen started a hedge fund called Hope Advisors.
       
      Nowadays, Karen the Supertrader is infamous because she was barred from managing outside money by the SEC. According to the SEC’s complaint, Bruton was continually rolling losing positions forward to avoid realizing a loss and thus, in the eyes of the SEC, misleading investors.
       
      Because selling options results in immediate income, it’s been the weapon of choice for traders who are hiding large losses. Nick Leeson, a rogue trader who famously brought down Barings Bank, also hid his losses by selling naked options.
       
      What Was Karen the Supertrader’s Strategy?
      Karen the Supertrader’s trading strategy, sometimes referred to as the “KST method,” was based on the concept of theta decay. Her approach involved short selling options with the expectations that they would become worthless upon expiration.
       
      By focusing on options that were highly likely to expire out-of-the-money, Karen leveraged the gradual erosion of their time value to her advantage.
       
      Karen focused primarily on equity index options on the S&P 500, Nasdaq 100, and Russell 2000. Focusing on a small number of highly liquid symbols allowed her to form a consistent strategy.
       
      Her strategy involved selling options that were two standard deviations out-of-the-money with expiration dates ranging between 30 and 56 days to expiration. In other words, these options were roughly 95% likely to expire worthless.
       
      As far as systematically selling options goes, Karen’s strategy is par for the course. Most traders who use a similar strategy tend to sell deep out-of-the-money (OTM) options, as they will expire worthless most of the time. The strategy tends to rack up several consecutive winning trades that are relatively small in size with a rare losing trade that will be significantly larger.
       
      Karen the Supertrader Trading Rules
      Let’s take a more granular look at the specific trading rules that Karen the Supertrader has publicly reported using.
       
      Firstly, she preferred a short strangle trade structure. This gave her a market neutral market outlook, taking no position on which direction the market will move next. Her only goal with the trade was for the market to remain inside her chosen strikes until expiration or until she closed the trade.
       
      Here’s an example of what a short strangle looks like:



      When it comes to short strangle strike selection, Karen the Supertrader used Bollinger Bands to select her strikes. Bollinger Bands are a technical indicator that plots trading bands two standard deviations away from a moving average.

      See the chart below for an example:

       
       
      She primarily traded in expiration dates ranging from 25 days to 56 days at the latest.
       
      To round up all of these rules, let’s create a rough example of an SPX short strangle trade that Karen the Supertrader might take, based on the rules she’s reported publicly in her Tastytrade interviews:
       
      ●     Trade type: short strangle
      ●     Put strike: 3875
      ●     Call strike: 4230
      ●     Expiration date: June 23 (39 days to expiration)
       
      Karen would typically take profits on winning trades, and roll out losing trades to a later expiration.
       
      Today she manages 190 million dollars, after making nearly 105 million in profits.
       
      Before we start analyzing Karen the Supertrader's strategy, lets be clear: she did NOT make 105 million in profits as TastyTrade claims. That number includes money from new investors. This headline is misleading at best, deception at worst.
       
      How much did she really make? We don't really know, but lets try to "guess".
       
      With SPX currently at 2075, she would sell May 1825 puts and 2280 calls. This is how the P/L chart would look:
       

       
      So she would get around $700 credit on ~21k in margin. If she holds till expiration and both options expire worthless, the trade produces 3.5% gain in 59 days. That's 21% annualized gain on 50% capital, or ~11% gain on the whole account.
       
      This assumes that both options expire worthless and no adjustment is needed. This also assumes regular margin. With her capital, she obviously gets portfolio margin, so her margin requirements are significantly less. But if she wants to take advantage of portfolio margin, she has to sell more contracts, taking much more risk. For the sake of her investors, I hope she is using 50% of the regular margin, not portfolio margin.
       
      In any case, I have hard time to see how she can make more than 25-30%/year with this strategy. Don't get me wrong, this is an excellent return - however, by selling naked options, she also takes a LOT of risk. To make 25-30%/year with this strategy, she must use a lot of portfolio margin - which means a lot of leverage.  Karen the Supertrader’s strategy is also short gamma and short vega, which means as the market moves against her, the positions become worse at a greater rate. If volatility spikes like it did in 2008, her account will be gone in matter of days.
       
      Here are some questions/comments taken from public discussions about Karen SuperTrader:
      I really have no idea how that is possible. In the TOS platform, if I sell a naked Put, the usual margin required is very large. We’re talking that my short Put usually would yield between 1.5% – 2.5% of the margin required. - I think there is more than a fair chance she may be a fraud and possibly even an invention of TastyTrade. Any manager worth her salt would be happy to provide audited returns, especially if only managing 150 million. She is probably generating around 30% a year while taking a lot of risk. I don’t know if that makes sense in the long run. Another thing that’s strange is the fact there’s not even one chart or table of her performance. I hear a lot of big numbers but just give the facts black on white. This strategy will only work for a period of time. When it stops, the results will be catastrophic. If she was that good as she claims she is, after 7 years of such spectacular returns she would have few billion under management, not 190 million. It’s Finance 101 isn’t it? The higher the return, the higher the risk you have to take. If she is generating 30% or greater per year, she is taking on a lot of risk. Hopefully her investors realize that.  
      Here are some articles about Karen SuperTrader:
       
      http://www.optionstradingiq.com/karen-the-supertrader/
      http://smoothprofit.blogspot.ca/2012/11/a-glimpse-of-option-strategies-of-karen.html
       
      So: IS Karen SuperTrader myth or reality? You decide.
       
      June 2016 update:
       
      Karen is now being investigated by the SEC for fraud. Don't say we didn't warn you.
      Read my latest article: Karen Supertrader: Too Good To Be True?

      Here are the links to the SEC claim and the verdict:

      https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-98.html
      https://www.sec.gov/alj/aljdec/2019/id1386cff.pdf
       
      I suspect that investors will not learn the lesson from this case.  Humans desperately want to believe there is a way to make money with no or little risk. That’s why Bernie Madoff existed, and it will never change.
      TastyTrade removed all articles and videos related to Karen the Supertrader from their website and YouTube right after the SEC investigation started, but returned them few days afterwards.

       
      Karen the Supertrader: Where Is She In 2023?
      The SEC sued Karen the Supertrader’s hedge fund, Hope Advisors, leading to the hedge fund paying a hefty fine, disgorging of profits, and Karen Bruton’s ban from managing outside money.
       
      However, Karen still appears in interviews, like she did with Michael Sartain in 2022. She maintains that the SEC unfairly targeted her firm seeking an easy prosecution. Both Karen and Michael Sartain, the host of the podcast, claim that the SEC’s complaint took issue with the fact that Karen’s hedge fund rolled losing positions forward, a common practice among systematic premium sellers.
       
      Her point of view is that the SEC interpreted the fund rolling its losing positions forward as the act of a rogue trader, rather than the routine actions of an options trader who sells premium.
    • By Stephan Haller
      Lately we experienced a 7% down move in the S&P 500.
       

      image source: TOS trading platform  
      We have also seen an explosion in the VIX.


      image source: TOS trading platform  
      All in all a pretty shitty situation if you have a delta neutral short premium portfolio.
       
      So let's have a look how a portfolio consisting of 30 delta short strangles and/or atm short straddles in IWM, FXE, TLT, GLD, XLE, which was started before this wild ride in the markets happened, would have performed.
       
      Set up
      As shown in my books, IWM, FXE, TLT, GLD, XLE are the most uncorrelated ETFs. With these underlyings you have exposure to the Russell 2000, the Euro Currency, Bonds, Gold and the Oil Sector.
       
      Rules
      $100k portfolio capital allocation based on the VIX (20-25% allocation in very low VIX environment, 40-50% in a high VIX environment) equal buying power in all underlyings never go above 3x leverage in notional value 30 delta short strangles or atm straddles about 45 DTE profit target = 16 delta strangle credit at trade entry close all positions at 21 DTE if profit target is not hit before if short strike in strangles gets hit, roll untested side into a short straddle (original profit target doesn't change) if break even in a short straddle gets hit, roll untested side to the new atm strike (going inverted) if IVR in IWM goes above 50% and/or VIX makes a big up move, add aggressive short delta strangle to balance deltas
        Portfolio Performance
      As a starting date I picked July 30th 2019, probably the worst day in this expiration cycle to start this kind of portfolio. Since the VIX and IVR was pretty low at this moment, I committed only a little bit above 25% of my net liq.
       
      IWM

      image source: TOS trading platform
        FXE

      image source: TOS trading platform  
      TLT

      image source: TOS trading platform  
      GLD

      image source: TOS trading platform  
      XLE

      image source: TOS trading platform  
      Portfolio


      So far in dollar terms a $1,571.50 loss or 1.571% loss on the whole portfolio.

      Not too bad considering the IV explosion and the big moves, especially in TLT.

      As you can see, even in a tough market with big outside the expected moves and IV explosion, short strangles/straddles are not a recipe for disaster.

      The key is to trade small when IV is low and mechanically adjust your positions/deltas.

      Of course the expiration cycle is not over yet and we can still have more big moves and much higher implied volatility in the coming days, but you should have seen now, when you have the right set of rules and religiously stick to these rules and when you trade small enough when IV is low, you are not going to blow up your portfolio.

      Stephan Haller is an author, teacher, options trader and public speaker with over 20 years of experience in the financial markets. Check out his trilogy on options trading here. This article is used here with permission and originally appeared here.



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    • By Kim
      Here is how their methodology works:
       
      In theory, if you knew exactly what price a stock would be immediately before earnings, you could purchase the corresponding straddle a number of days beforehand. To test this, we looked at the past 4 earnings cycles in 5 different stocks. We recorded the closing price of each stock immediately before the earnings announcement. We then went back 14 days and purchased the straddle using the strikes recorded on the close prior to earnings. We closed those positions immediately before earnings were to be reported.


       

       
      Study Parameters:


      TSLA, LNKD, NFLX, AAPL, GOOG Past 4 earnings cycles 14 days prior to earnings - purchased future ATM straddle Sold positions on the close before earnings  
      The results:
      Future ATM straddle produced average ROC of -19%.
       
      As an example:
       
      In the previous cycle, TSLA was trading around $219 two weeks before earnings. The stock closed around $201 a day before earnings. According to tastytrade methodology, they would buy the 200 straddle 2 weeks before earnings. They claim that this is the best case scenario for buying pre-earnings straddles.

      My Rebuttal 
       
      Wait a minute.. This is a straddle, not a calendar. For a calendar, the stock has to trade as close to the strike as possible to realize the maximum gain. For a straddle, it's exactly the opposite:
       

       
      When you buy a straddle, you want the stock to move away from your strike, not towards the strike. You LOSE the maximum amount of money if the stock moves to the strike.
       
      In case of TSLA, if you wanted to trade pre-earnings straddle 2 weeks before earnings when the stock was at $219, you would purchase the 220 straddle, not 200 straddle. If you do that, you start delta neutral and have some gamma gains when the stock moves to $200. But if you start with 200 straddle, your initial setup is delta positive, while you know that the stock will move against you. 
       
      It still does not guarantee that the straddle will be profitable. You need to select the best timing (usually 5-7 days, not 14 days) and select the stocks carefully (some stocks are better candidates than others). But using tastytrade methodology would GUARANTEE that the strategy will lose money 90% of the time. It almost feels like they deliberately used those parameters to reach the conclusion they wanted.
       
      As a side note, the five stocks they selected for the study are among the worst possible candidates for this strategy. It almost feels like they selected the worst possible parameters in terms of strike, timing and stocks, in order to reach the conclusion they wanted to reach.
       
      At SteadyOptions, buying pre-earnings straddles is one of our key strategies. It works very well for us. Check out our performance page for full results. As you can see from our results, "Buying Premium Prior To Earnings" is still alive and kicking. Not exactly "Nail In The Coffin".
       
      Comment: the segment has been removed from tastytrade website, which shows that they realized how absurd it was. We linked to the YouTube video which is still there.
       
      Of course the devil is in the details. There are many moving parts to this strategy:
      When to enter? Which stocks to use? How to manage the position? When to take profits?  
      And much more. But overall, this strategy has been working very well for us. If you want to learn more how to use it (and many other profitable strategies):
       
      Subscribe to SteadyOptions now and experience the full power of options trading at your fingertips. Click the button below to get started!

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    • By Kim
      This is a critical issue that many traders don't fully understand.

      To understand the real risk this lady is taking, I would like you to take a look at Victor Niederhoffer. This guy had one of the best track records in the hedge fund industry, compounding 30% gains for 20 years. Yet, he blew up spectacularly in 1997 and 2007. Not once but twice.
       
      Are you Aware of Black Swan Risk?
       
      This is how Malcolm Gladwell describes what happened in 1997:
       
      "A year after Nassim Taleb came to visit him, Victor Niederhoffer blew up. He sold a very large number of options on the S. & P. index, taking millions of dollars from other traders in exchange for promising to buy a basket of stocks from them at current prices, if the market ever fell. It was an unhedged bet, or what was called on Wall Street a “naked put,” meaning that he bet everyone on one outcome: he bet in favor of the large probability of making a small amount of money, and against the small probability of losing a large amount of money-and he lost. On October 27, 1997, the market plummeted eight per cent, and all of the many, many people who had bought those options from Niederhoffer came calling all at once, demanding that he buy back their stocks at pre-crash prices. He ran through a hundred and thirty million dollars — his cash reserves, his savings, his other stocks — and when his broker came and asked for still more he didn’t have it. In a day, one of the most successful hedge funds in America was wiped out. Niederhoffer had to shut down his firm. He had to mortgage his house. He had to borrow money from his children. He had to call Sotheby’s and sell his prized silver collection.
       
      A month or so before he blew up, Taleb had dinner with Niederhoffer at a restaurant in Westport, and Niederhoffer told him that he had been selling naked puts. You can imagine the two of them across the table from each other, Niederhoffer explaining that his bet was an acceptable risk, that the odds of the market going down so heavily that he would be wiped out were minuscule, and Taleb listening and shaking his head, and thinking about black swans. “I was depressed when I left him,” Taleb said. “Here is a guy who, whatever he wants to do when he wakes up in the morning, he ends up better than anyone else. Whatever he wakes up in the morning and decides to do, he did better than anyone else. I was talking to my hero . . .” This was the reason Taleb didn’t want to be Niederhoffer when Niederhoffer was at his height — the reason he didn’t want the silver and the house and the tennis matches with George Soros. He could see all too clearly where it all might end up. In his mind’s eye, he could envision Niederhoffer borrowing money from his children, and selling off his silver, and talking in a hollow voice about letting down his friends, and Taleb did not know if he had the strength to live with that possibility. Unlike Niederhoffer, Taleb never thought he was invincible. You couldn’t if you had watched your homeland blow up, and had been the one person in a hundred thousand who gets throat cancer, and so for Taleb there was never any alternative to the painful process of insuring himself against catastrophe.
       
      Last fall, Niederhoffer sold a large number of options, betting that the markets would be quiet, and they were, until out of nowhere two planes crashed into the World Trade Center. “I was exposed. It was nip and tuck.” Niederhoffer shook his head, because there was no way to have anticipated September 11th. “That was a totally unexpected event.”
       
      Well, guess what - unexpected events happen. More often than you can imagine.
       


      The market bottomed right after Niederhoffer was margin called. By November, the market was back near highs. His 830 puts went on to expire worthless - meaning his trade, had he been able to hold on, turned out to be profitable.

      But his leverage forced his liquidation. He was oversized and couldn't ride the trade out.

      Niederhoffer had shorted so many puts that a run-of-the-mill two-day market selloff sent him out on a stretcher.

      If he had sized the trade correctly, he would have survived the ride and took home a small profit. But the guy was playing on tilt, got greedy, maybe a bit arrogant, and lost all of his client's money.
       
      Karen is managing over 300 million dollars now. Her annual returns are in a 25-30% range. Are those good returns, based on the risk she takes?
       
      Not in my opinion. I believe that betting 300 million dollars on naked options is a disaster waiting to happen. I'm sure that most of her investors are not aware of the huge risks she is taking. Niederhoffer's story should be a good lesson, but for most people, it isn't. Unfortunately, people desperately want to believe there is a way to make money with no or little risk.
       
      Personally, I have hard time to understand why Sosnoff is promoting those strategies. But this is a different story.

      As a side note, this article is not an attempt to bash tastytrade. It is an attempt to show a different side of the coin and point out some historical cases. If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. tastytrade advocates selling premium based on "high IV percentile". They ignore the fact that IV is usually high for a reason. Personally, I consider selling naked options before earnings on a high flying stocks like NFLX, AMZN, ULTA, TSLA etc. as a very high risk trading. tastytrade followers consider those trades safe and conservative. Matter of point of view I guess.

      Some tastytrade followers argued that PUT Write index performed better than SPX. And it is true. But those are completely different strategies. The original purpose of PUT Write index (or any naked put strategy) is to buy stock at a discount and reduce risk. As long as you sell the same number of contracts as the number of shares you are willing to own, you should be fine, and in many cases to outperform the underlying stock or index. The problem with Karen Supertrader and Niederhoffer was that they used too much leverage. They sold those naked options just to collect premium. Same is true when you sell strangles before earnings.
       
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      June 2016 update:  Turns out Karen is under investigation by the SEC. Read the details here and here.
    • By Kim
      We already debunked some of those "studies" here and here. Today we will debunk another study, and will show how to do it properly.

      On July 7, 2015, tastytrade conducted a study using AAPL, GMCR, AMZN and TSLA. An ATM straddle was purchased 21 days prior to earnings and closed the day before earnings. A table showed the results. The win rate, total P/L, average P/L per day, biggest win and biggest loss were shown:

        

      Their conclusion:



      Wait... They concluded that buying volatility prior to earnings doesn't work based on 4 stocks? Why those 4 specific stocks? Why 21 days prior to earnings?

      Our members know that those 4 stocks are among the worst to use for this strategy. They also know that entering 21 days prior to earnings is usually way too early (there are some exceptions).

      Also, what is a significance of dollar P/L when comparing stocks like AMZN and AAPL? At current prices, AMZN straddle would cost around $8,500 while AAPL straddle around $1,200. Theoretically, if we had a 10% loss on AMZN (-$850) and 50% gain on AAPL ($600), the total P/L would be -$250. But the correct calculation would be total P/L of +40% because we need to give equal dollar weight to all trades.

      But lets see how changing just one parameter can change the results dramatically. We will be using AAPL as an example. 

      First lets use the study parameter of 21 days.


      Tap Here to See the back-test

      Entering 21 days prior to earnings is indeed a losing proposition. But lets change it to 10 days and see what happens:


      Tap Here to See the back-test
       
      Can you see how changing one single parameter changes the results dramatically? I have a feeling that tastytrade knew that 21 days would be not the best time to enter - but using different parameters wouldn't fit their thesis.


      Now lets test the strategy on some of our favorite stocks.

      NKE, 14 days and 15% profit target:


      Tap Here to See the back-test
       

      MSFT, 7 days and 15% profit target:
       

      Tap Here to See the back-test


      CSCO, 21 days and 10% profit target:


      Tap Here to See the back-test

       
      IBM, 7 days and 15% profit target:


      Tap Here to See the back-test

       
      ORCL, 14 days and 20% profit target:


      Tap Here to See the back-test

       
      WMT, 7 days and 10% profit target:
       

      Tap Here to See the back-test
       

      As you can see, different stocks require different timing and different profit targets. Some work better entering 7 days prior to earnings, some might improve performance with an entry as early as 21 days prior to earnings.

      The bottom line is: you cannot just select random stocks, combine it with random timing and no trade management, and declare that the strategy doesn't work. But if you select the stocks carefully, combine it with the right timing and trade management, it works very well. Here are our results, based on live trades, not skewed "studies":


       
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    • By Kim
      There is a lot of buz lately related to tastytrade, Tom Sosnoff, Karen Supertrader etc. so I thought it would be appropriate to open a discussion topic where members can discuss tastytrade and exchange ideas and opinions.
       
      Here are some links to articles and posts about tastytrade.

      Karen Supertrader: Myth Or Reality?
      Karen Supertrader: Too Good To Be True?
      Karen The Supertrader Interviewed by tastytrade
      Why 'Karen the Supertrader's' Story Never Made Sense
      Tastytrade: A Shill with Skills
      Can We Profit From Volatility Expansion Into Earnings?
      Buying Premium Prior To Earnings - Does It Work?
      Another garbage study from Tasty Trade
      Reviews of TastyTrade.com at Investimonials
       
      While the shows can be entertaining, here is one opinion that summarizes what tastytrade do:
       
    • By Kim
      What lessons we can learn from this debacle?
       
      Were the Skeptics Right?
       
      "Self-taught options trader Karen Bruton (aka Karen the Supertrader) earned so much so quickly that some skeptics doubted her. In reality, the SEC says, she improperly concealed more than $50 million of losses."
       
      The new allegations paint a very un-uber portrait of Bruton, 66, a self-taught options trader who mesmerized fans and flummoxed skeptics with her life story of parlaying a $10,000 initial investment into a fortune and seemingly endless stream of profits.
       
      I'm still trying to understand the motives of tastytrade when they promoted her as making $105MM PROFIT, without properly discussing the risks. They also failed to mention that most of the growth in her fund came from  new money and not actual profits. Was it extreme ignorance or some hidden agenda? You decide.
       
      As a reminder, Karen claimed to make 25-30% per year by selling naked options on indexes. 
       
      The important point is this: 
       
      As I mentioned in my article, there is only one way to make 25-30% per year with this strategy: leverage. Combine leverage with naked strangle strategy which is very risky to begin with is a certain path to financial disaster.
       
      Leverage Can Kill You!
       
      Our contributor Jesse wrote over a year ago:
       
      "All trading has risk. It's not the strategy that determines if something is risky...it's the position size (amount of leverage) and risk management that does (and then the discipline of the trader to follow the plan which often means taking a pre-defined loss before it gets out of control)."
       
      Is selling naked options risky? That's the wrong question - ask better questions, and you'll get better answers...Is selling excessively leveraged naked options that aren't cash secured risky? Yes, eventually. Short strangles on SPX and other index products are money making trades over the long term, you just have to use sensible position size and sensible exits. Just don't get greedy. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
       
      "The point here is not to dismiss all volatility and option selling strategies as useless and blow up prone. The short volatility trade on equity indices is one of the best trades out there. It does very well long-term. " 
       
      The point is to understand your risk. In fact, be obsessed with risk management if you want to survive as a trader for the long term.
       
      Well said Jesse.
       

       
      Also Hiding the Losses?
       
      To add insult to injury, Karen Bruton also started to hide the losses by rolling options positions, as explained here:
       
      "Between October and December of 2014, Karen took some heavy losses selling her options. But to keep the incentive fees coming in, she organized a sophisticated options roll at the end of each month. This allowed her to still “realize gains” of 1% every month to take fees from, while pushing unrealized losses out to the next month. Month after month the losses continued to snowball while she continued to collect her fees.
       
      Each month began with a huge realized loss. (The SEC reports that these losses now exceed $50 million dollars.) She offset these accrued losses by selling a ton of in-the-money call options on the S&P 500 E-mini futures due to expire at the end of the month. This injected fresh cash into the fund. Just enough so that she could report a small realized gain to investors. That way she could take fees that month too…
       
      But of course there’s no free lunch in trading. You don’t get gains out of nowhere. When these call options expired, yes she had her cash injection (from the option premium), but she was also left with a futures position (due to assignment) that carried a huge unrealized loss. Here’s where the loss rolling came in. She needed that futures position to stay open until the next month because if she closed it beforehand, that would realize a loss and cancel out the profits from the calls she sold. That means no incentive fees.
       
      So to cover this futures position, she would simultaneously purchasein-the-money call options expiring the following month on the same day she sold those original in-the-money call options. These calls allowed her to offset any gains or losses the futures incurred at the end of the month until the beginning of the next month.
       
      This all smells like a classic Ponzi scheme…Pay the old investors with money from the new ones."
       

       
      We are very familiar with those "rolling" techniques. Many options newsletters are using them to hide their losses. As we always said, rolling options position is simply hiding the loss.
       
      The Hope Investments fund has been created in March 2011, and October 2014 was only the second time since creation when S&P declined more than 10%. First time (August 2011) she probably hasn't been using as much leverage yet. If the fund experienced such significant losses after 10% market decline, imagine what would happen in 2008-like environment.
       
      SJ Options summed it up  nicely:
       
      "It’s very important to alert the public of the true risks involved in short strangles because in the interviews the risk is not discussed as much as it should be.  Because of the excessive media exposure, there are many of retail traders attempting to trade this uncovered options strategy that has nearly unlimited risk potential. The short strangle is not as easy as it appears to be.  Margins change quickly and it’s vulnerable to quick losses and margin calls.  Be very careful with this strategy.  We conducted an 85 year backtest of the short strangle, 45 days to expiration, and it lost money overall."
       
      Tastytrade Response
       
      Tom Sosnoff was asked to respond to Karen Bruton story after the SEC complaint. You can watch his response here (18 minute mark). He continues to defend her, calls her "a very special person" and a victim of an evil government. Tom calls all the publications about Karen "crap". He claims that Karen was actually not paid enough in her fund. However, according to the SEC complaint,  "Between November 2014 and March 2016, Hope collected over $6 million in incentive fees from the HI Fund. As of the same date, the HI Fund had unrealized losses of approximately $57 million." So she took $6M in illegal fees while the fund was down $57M, and Tom says that she was underpaid...
       
      Sosnoff also continues to claim that Karen "made ton of money" for her investors. He still sticks to his claim that she turned $100k into $105M between 2008 and 2011, "forgetting" to mention that most of those profits came from new investors money. God knows his true motives, but this article from 2014 gives some insights into the whole "tastytrade/dough/TD Ameritrade" scheme.
       
      Here are some articles about Karen SuperTrader:
      Karen SuperTrader: Myth Or Reality? Karen The Supertrader by Optionstradingiq A Glimpse of option strategies of Karen Karen The Supertrader Interviewed by tastytrade Karen the Supertrader's Winning Strategy Relied on Fraud, SEC Alleges Karen The Supertrader - SJ Options Tastytrade: A Shill with Skills The Spectacular Fall Of LJM Preservation And Growth
    • By Kogelet
      Dear community!

      I would like to get an opinion about the following video. I posted the link below. 
      After making some research, I made the following assumptions and conclusions. 
      - Options are probability-based financial instruments. The premium paid for buying a straddle is supposed to include all risks related to the potential change of IV, theta, gamma. 
      - The chances of gain are 50/50 similarly to any short time predictions of the market price. Besides, you lose the spread and pay commissions. 
      - Options pricing already includes any potential increase in IV and time decay is more likely to kill the potential trade.
      - As the markets are very efficient, Options pricing already includes information about historical volatility. Even if we find stocks with high historical volatility during previous earnings, the greeks are always balanced between each other to make your chances of win to 50/50 minus spreads & commissions. 
      So, what you think?
       
       
      As options are 
       
       
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