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6 minutes ago, NikTam said:

I'm not feeling it for these tickers.  Not compelling back test results.  And wide spreads and low volume.

OSK:

3 years test yields 83% win rate: https://tm2.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=s_0_20180115103731_8c5bOf21sHvQ37c0

TSS: 3 years backtest 67% win rate: https://tm2.cmlviz.com/index.php

I prefer those stocks that did not participated so much in today's and last couple of days rally.

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3 minutes ago, Antoxa said:

It says Long Straddle, but it is a Strangle they test:

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if u choose anything other than 50 delta call and 50 delta put, it'll be like this.

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6 minutes ago, mustafaoe said:

OSK:

3 years test yields 83% win rate: https://tm2.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=s_0_20180115103731_8c5bOf21sHvQ37c0

TSS: 3 years backtest 67% win rate: https://tm2.cmlviz.com/index.php

I prefer those stocks that did not participated so much in today's and last couple of days rally.

Hmm.  I can't get that result.  This is what I get - what am I missing?

http://tm.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=20180117212925_QZGwXuljGcN2eY0i

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1 minute ago, IgorK said:

I only see 60 and 62.5 straddles for Feb16.

I will go with the Feb 16 60 call.  It's showing as a Delta 58 but it is ATM since stock is at 60.66 -- that's a 50 delta in my book.  right?

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Just now, NikTam said:

I will go with the Feb 16 60 call.  It's showing as a Delta 58 but it is ATM since stock is at 60.66 -- that's a 50 delta in my book.  right?

Depends how it opens I think... is entry tomorrow? I am busy in the morning... Hm...

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1 minute ago, IgorK said:

His enter 3 day before earnings and exit 1 day before. 40 delta call.

Ah yes!  That does make a difference.  Maybe look at this one more closely.  So enter on Monday.  But I'm still leery of the low volume.

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3 minutes ago, NikTam said:

Ah yes!  That does make a difference.  Maybe look at this one more closely.  So enter on Monday.  But I'm still leery of the low volume.

If it's Monday, what would be 7 days expiration in this case? Jan26 or Feb02? Maybe better to enter Friday..

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BA:  BOT Feb 2 350 call @ 10.65 (50 delta)  BOT Feb 2 357.5 @ 7.35.  (40 delta) This is second round for me on this PE momentum trade.

BA dropped like a rock. Much better entries now.

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SHW:  

 

17 hours ago, NikTam said:

So the SBUX would be this:  http://tm.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=20180117211359_XT35bvU4SRBY9aXJ

Looks good to me.

Don't we want to enter this tomorrow? 19-20-21-22-23-24-25  7 days.  Close on the 25th.  So 0 days before earnings.

17 hours ago, NikTam said:

 

BOT STT @1.00  Feb 18 110 call

BOT SHW @6.35 Feb 18 440 call

 

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7 minutes ago, NikTam said:

BA:  BOT Feb 2 350 call @ 10.65 (50 delta)  BOT Feb 2 357.5 @ 7.35.  (40 delta) This is second round for me on this PE momentum trade.

Thanks for clarifying what exactly you bought. For me this thread is not quite easy to follow as members rarely provide full details on the trades made.

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17 hours ago, krisbee said:

if u choose anything other than 50 delta call and 50 delta put, it'll be like this.

@krisbee So what are you thoughts on the SBUX straddle as far as pricing?  Is there an RV protocol for this?

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32 minutes ago, NikTam said:

@krisbee So what are you thoughts on the SBUX straddle as far as pricing?  Is there an RV protocol for this?

61 straddle is around 2.50 now. SBUX moves + or - $1 from today, in that case 10-15cents straddle moves up. 2 cycles out of 8 moved nearly 2-2.5$

personally, I'm holding my 3rd iteration of hedged straddle for SBUX. possibly i'll close it tomorrow or today if i can get around 7-8%. 

 

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Bought a single SHW feb16, 450 call for 4.80 debit. Wanted to go with a higher delta call (ideally, ATM) as the backtest shows those seem to perform better, but those are expensive and more than I want to put down for a single long call position.

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27 minutes ago, akito said:

Bought a single SHW feb16, 450 call for 4.80 debit. Wanted to go with a lower delta call as the backtest shows those seem to perform better, but those are expensive and more than I want to put down for a single long call position.

I'm in SHW Feb'16 450 call for 4.80 debit as well. Wanted to be in this trade as SHW is heading upwards unlike BA which is falling today.

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6 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

BA is a longer term trade 14 days so may not be bad to buy a bit when it is down. 

Yeah. That's what I did.

By the way, @NikTam, do I understand correctly, is it two long calls on BA, not a bull call spread?

1 hour ago, NikTam said:

BA:  BOT Feb 2 350 call @ 10.65 (50 delta)  BOT Feb 2 357.5 @ 7.35.  (40 delta) This is second round for me on this PE momentum trade.

BA dropped like a rock. Much better entries now.

 

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5 minutes ago, Stanislav said:

Yeah. That's what I did.

By the way, @NikTam, do I understand correctly, is it two long calls on BA, not a bull call spread?

 

Only if I sell the higher strike price to offset the cost of the long call.  I went long with two positions at different deltas.

 

A bull call spread is an options strategy that involves purchasing call options at a specific strike price while also selling the same number of calls of the same asset and expiration date but at a higher strike. A bull call spread is used when a moderate rise in the price of the underlying asset is expected.  __ Investipedia

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@NikTam, thanks, I know what bull call spread is. :) I just wanted to make sure it is not a typo in your post, and you do really have two long calls with different delta's. This trade is a longer term one, as indicated in the posts above, sometimes it makes sense to use call spread to compensate for time decay for trades which last more than a few days.

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Just now, Stanislav said:

@NikTam, thanks, I know what bull call spread is. :) I just wanted to make sure it is not a typo in your post, and you do really have two long calls with different delta's. I this trade is a longer term one, as indicated in the posts above, sometimes it makes sense to use call spread to compensate for time decay.

Thought you did!  I'm thinking of selling some calls to do just that and offset some of my losses today.  Of course that puts limit on gains.  What do you think of that?

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I was originally planning to open a PE 7-1  call on BA, but for exactly the reason that @Stanislav mentioned, I choose to open today using a call spread. I opened the Feb2 345/365 call spread for $6.94 - this was earlier this morning before BA dropped further.

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@NikTam, I personally think it is too late to sell calls right now. Would be better to do it at the entry time.

Better to stick with the original plan. Or liquidate trade if stop loss is met. Selling calls now may do more harm rather then help.

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@NikTam Did you ever hear back from CML about the PE 3-1 trades? I noticed in the BA 3-1 trade they posted on Jan 17th blog post (http://www.cmlviz.com/cmld3b/index.php?number=11902&app=news&cml_article_id=20180117_the-one-day-pre-earnings-momentum-trade-with-options-in-boeing-co-nyse-ba) that they specifically said it was opened at the end of the day Monday, 2 days before earnings, instead of Friday. Every single trade in the backtest is a 2-1 trade, so I'm not really clear why they even bother calling it a 3-1 trade. Maybe more importantly for a subscriber, I don't understand how the software is calculating the 3 days pre-earnings since some 3-1 trades are actually opened 3 days before earnings and others are opened 2 days before earnings.

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On 1/17/2018 at 2:08 PM, lluisitu said:

These are on my list to check for coming days.

Need to check charts and confirm earnings dates though..

 

 

Earnings Date Trade Date Month Wk Stock Strategy Days Before / After Trade Exp. Days Win Loss
1/22/18 1/19/18 1 3 NFLX 3 Days Pre, Long Call -3 NFLX: Buy 40 Delta Call 7 8 0
1/17/18 1/19/18 1 3 SCHW 1 Month Post, Short Put Spread 2 SCHW: Sell 30 Delta, Buy 10 Delta Puts 40 11 1
1/30/18 1/27/18 1 4 GLW 3 Days Pre, Long Call -3 GLW: Buy 40 Delta Call 7 7 1
1/23/18 1/20/18 1 3 STT 3 Days Pre, Long Call -3 STT: Buy 40 Delta Call 7 7 1
1/30/18 1/20/18 1 3 EA 14 Days Pre, Long Call -10 EA: Buy 40 Delta Call 30 4 0
1/24/18 1/21/18 1 4 TEL 3 Days Pre, Long Call -3 TEL: Buy 40 Delta Call 7 5 0
1/31/18 1/21/18 1 4 MSFT 14 Days Pre, Long Call -10 MSFT: Buy 40 Delta Call 30 7 1
1/31/18 1/21/18 1 4 FB 14 Days Pre, Long Call -10 FB: Buy 40 Delta Call 30 6 2
1/29/18 1/22/18 1 4 GGP 7 Days Pre, Long Straddle -7 GGP: Buy 50 Delta Calls, Buy 50 Delta Puts 7 4 0
1/25/18 1/22/18 1 4 POT 3 Days Pre, Long Call -3 POT: Buy 40 Delta Call 7 7 1
1/25/18 1/22/18 1 4 WYNN 3 Days Pre, Long Call -3 WYNN: Buy 40 Delta Call 7 5 0
1/18/18 1/22/18 1 4 BK 1 Month Post, Short Put Spread 4 BK: Sell 30 Delta, Buy 10 Delta Puts 40 11 1

 

I watched the CMLviz webinar and it looks like a good tool.  However, it looks like most SO members are using it for pre-earnings trades, and many of the setups are long calls.  I'm more of a non-directional trader.  Is anyone using this tool to find non-earnings, non-directional trades like calendars or butterflies on the indexes?  Thanks.  

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17 hours ago, krissi said:

I watched the CMLviz webinar and it looks like a good tool.  However, it looks like most SO members are using it for pre-earnings trades, and many of the setups are long calls.  I'm more of a non-directional trader.  Is anyone using this tool to find non-earnings, non-directional trades like calendars or butterflies on the indexes?  Thanks.  

I was thinking the same thing, and would also like to hear the same responses.

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17 hours ago, krissi said:

I watched the CMLviz webinar and it looks like a good tool.  However, it looks like most SO members are using it for pre-earnings trades, and many of the setups are long calls.  I'm more of a non-directional trader.  Is anyone using this tool to find non-earnings, non-directional trades like calendars or butterflies on the indexes?  Thanks.  

I missed the webinar from a few nights ago.

I wrote them and they said it would immediately be posted for subscribers to watch, but , I can't locate it.

Do you know where it is?

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1 minute ago, cuegis said:

I missed the webinar from a few nights ago.

I wrote them and they said it would immediately be posted for subscribers to watch, but , I can't locate it.

Do you know where it is?

Kim posted a link to the webinar here: 

 

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19 hours ago, krissi said:

I watched the CMLviz webinar and it looks like a good tool.  However, it looks like most SO members are using it for pre-earnings trades, and many of the setups are long calls.  I'm more of a non-directional trader.  Is anyone using this tool to find non-earnings, non-directional trades like calendars or butterflies on the indexes?  Thanks.  

@krissi What indexes you are interested in? You can put these in the scanner and see what works. You can also create you custom strategy and test against index.

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2 hours ago, IgorK said:

@krissi What indexes you are interested in? You can put these in the scanner and see what works. You can also create you custom strategy and test against index.

SPX, RUT, maybe some ETFs like SPY, IWM.  I want to backtest calendars, diagonals and butterflies.  Sounds like CMLviz does this?  Thanks!

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10 minutes ago, krissi said:

SPX, RUT, maybe some ETFs like SPY, IWM.  I want to backtest calendars, diagonals and butterflies.  Sounds like CMLviz does this?  Thanks!

Not sure if these actually work...

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5 hours ago, cuegis said:

I missed the webinar from a few nights ago.

I wrote them and they said it would immediately be posted for subscribers to watch, but , I can't locate it.

Do you know where it is?

You should be able to access the webinar recording through this link: https://cmlviz.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=8740b0e4e1d86119b842cbdf2&id=5f63fe5eaf&e=7db5d63ccb

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Just a heads up, anyone who opened a STT call on the pullback on Friday needs to close today as ER is tomorrow before open. I had opened a position and was planning on closing a tiny portion this morning (leaving the rest to GTC orders at profit targets), but accidentally closed my entire position... Only managed 9% gain when I could have easily gotten 30+%... So disappointing.

 

 

On 1/18/2018 at 10:58 AM, akito said:

Bought a single SHW feb16, 450 call for 4.80 debit. Wanted to go with a higher delta call (ideally, ATM) as the backtest shows those seem to perform better, but those are expensive and more than I want to put down for a single long call position.

 

Also closed my SHW call for -35% loss.

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      Yes, there is a systematic way to trade this repeating phenomenon, without making a bet on earnings or stock direction.

      THE SET UP 
      What a trader wants to do is to see the results of buying an at the money straddle a few days before earnings, and then sell that straddle just before earnings. The goal, is two-fold: (i) to benefit from that known implied volatility rise, and (ii) to own the straddle for a very short period of time when the stock might move 'a lot,' but taking no earnings bets. 

      If either of those two phenomena occur, there's a very good chance this wins, if neither occur, the amount risked is normally quite small. Here is the setup: 
       


      We are testing opening the position 6 days before earnings and then closing the position 1 day before earnings. This is not making any earnings bet. This is not making any stock direction bet. 

      Once we apply that simple rule to our back-test, we run it on an at-the-money straddle: 

      RETURNS 
      If we did this long at-the-money (also called '50-delta') straddle in Broadcom Limited (NASDAQ:AVGO) over the last three-years but only held it before earnings we get these results: 
       
      Long At-the-Money Straddle * Monthly Options * Back-test length: three-years * Open 6-days Before Earnings * Close 1-day Before Earnings * Holding Period: 5-Days per Earnings   Winning Trades: 5 Losing Trades: 7 Pre-Earnings Straddle Return:  17.1%  Annualized Return:  102% 
      We see a 17.1% return, testing this over the last 12 earnings dates in Broadcom Limited. That's a total of just 60 days (5 days for each earnings date, over 12 earnings dates). That's a annualized rate of 102%. 

      We can also see that this strategy hasn't been a winner all the time, rather it has won 5 times and lost 7 times, but here's the key -- it wins about half of the time, but the average gain per winning trade is substantially larger than the average loss on a losing trade: 
       


      Consistently Successful 
      This idea has also been a successful approach over the last two-years:
      Long At-the-Money Straddle * Monthly Options * Back-test length: two-years * Open 6-days Before Earnings * Close 1-day Before Earnings * Holding Period: 5-Days per Earnings   Winning Trades: 4 Losing Trades: 4 Pre-Earnings Straddle Return:  22%  Annualized Return:  198% 
      Now we see a 22% return, testing this over the last 8 earnings dates which is a annualized rate of 198%. 

      Yet again, we see a trade that wins about half the time, but the average win is much larger than the average loss: 
       


      If you really want to see how we found this, and how to do it for other stocks like Apple, Google and Amazon, here is a 1-minute and 34-second video that every professional option trader would rather that you don't see. 

      Learn more here: Try the Back-tester Yourself

      WHAT HAPPENED 
      There are patterns to stock behaviors before and after earnings and those patterns reveal opportunities in the option market, without taking the actual risk of earnings. You can find them, stock by stock. This is how people profit from the option market -- it's preparation, not luck. 

      To see how to do this for any stock we welcome you to watch this quick demonstration video: 
      Tap Here to See the Tools at Work

      Thanks for reading. 

      Risk Disclosure 
      You should read the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options. 

      Past performance is not an indication of future results. 

      Trading futures and options involves the risk of loss. Please consider carefully whether futures or options are appropriate to your financial situation. Only risk capital should be used when trading futures or options. Investors could lose more than their initial investment. 

      Past results are not necessarily indicative of future results. The risk of loss in trading can be substantial, carefully consider the inherent risks of such an investment in light of your financial condition. 

      Back-test Link
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Ophir Gottlieb
      The Secret Behind Options Pre-Earnings Trading in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC)
       
       
      Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC): The Wonderful Secret Behind Options Pre-Earnings Trading
      Date Published: 2017-05-4

      PREFACE 
      There is a wonderful secret to trading options right before earnings announcements in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) , and really many stocks, that benefits from the rising implied volatility but avoids the risk into the actual earnings release and also avoids any kind of stock direction risk. 

      THE WONDERFUL SECRET 
      What a trader wants to do is to see the results of buying an at the money straddle a few days before earnings, and then sell that straddle just before earnings. 

      The goal, is two-fold: (i) to benefit from that known implied volatility rise, and (ii) to own the straddle for a very short period of time when the stock might move 'a lot,' but never take the risk of actually owning options during the earnings release. 

      If either of those two phenomena occur, there's a very good chance this wins, if neither occur, the amount risked is normally quite small. Here is the setup: 
       


      We are testing opening the position in Intel Corporation 6 days before earnings and then closing the position right before earnings. This is not making any earnings bet. This is notmaking any stock direction bet. 

      Once we apply that simple rule to our back-test, we run it on an at-the-money straddle: 

      RETURNS 
      If we did this long at-the-money (also called '50-delta') straddle in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) over the last three-years but only held it before earnings we get these results: 
       


      We see a 47.8% return, testing this over the last 12 earnings dates in Intel Corporation. That's a total of just 72 days (6 days for each earnings date, over 12 earnings dates). That's a annualized rate of 242%. 

      We can also see that the win/loss rate is split with 6-wins and 6-losses, yet the return is enormous. That means the winning trades are much larger than the losing trades, which is exactly what a successful trading strategy attempts to do. No magic bullets -- rather smart methodologies for wealth creation. 

      MORE TO IT THAN MEETS THE EYE 
      While this strategy is benefiting from the implied volatility rise into earnings for Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC), what it's really doing is far more intelligent. 

      The ideal stocks for this strategy have a couple of common characteristics: 

      (i) The companies rarely pre-announce earnings -- this is an investment that does not look to make an earnings bet, so an earnings pre-announcement is the opposite of what we're hoping for. 

      (ii) The underlying stock price of these companies tend to move a lot (or some) as earnings approach and various institutions and traders shuffle the stock price around in anticipation of the earnings result. The more one sided the outside world starts betting on direction -- up or down, the better it is to own the straddle. 

      WHAT HAPPENED 
      This is it -- this is how people profit from the option market -- it's preparation, not luck. 

      Test the results on Apple Inc and Alphabet Inc, and the results are staggering. 

      To see how to do this for any stock and for any strategy with just the click of a few buttons, we welcome you to watch this quick demonstration video: 
      Tap Here to See the Tools at Work 

      Thanks for reading. 

      Risk Disclosure 
      You should read the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options. 

      Past performance is not an indication of future results. 

      Trading futures and options involves the risk of loss. Please consider carefully whether futures or options are appropriate to your financial situation. Only risk capital should be used when trading futures or options. Investors could lose more than their initial investment. 

      Past results are not necessarily indicative of future results. The risk of loss in trading can be substantial, carefully consider the inherent risks of such an investment in light of your financial condition. 

      The author has no position in Intel Corporation Inc (NASDAQ:INTC) as of this writing. 

      Back-test Link (does require custom earnings settings).
       
       
       
       
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