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27 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

What did you get into cost with and what price ?

Jan 188 Calls for $4.30. Also Jan 193 calls at $2.55

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22 minutes ago, NikTam said:

Yes.  I see that now.  Also it improves if you go to a monthly expiration -- 30 days.  The Jan 5 expiration would be 29 days.

http://tm.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=20171207161356_0BgNu4tgMAqhCuAV

I chose Jan montlies, and, because even though those were not that liquid, I assumed a "non-monthly" would be even worse.

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1 minute ago, cuegis said:

I chose Jan montlies, and, because even though those were not that liquid, I assumed a "non-monthly" would be even worse.

Make sense.  So I have ADBE and COST set up for Monday entry.  The expiration on COST will be the nearest weekly (Dec 15).

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2 minutes ago, NikTam said:

Make sense.  So I have ADBE and COST set up for Monday entry.  The expiration on COST will be the nearest weekly (Dec 15).

@NikTam How do you set up? Do you have GTC orders?  How do you calculate order price?

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5 minutes ago, NikTam said:

Make sense.  So I have ADBE and COST set up for Monday entry.  The expiration on COST will be the nearest weekly (Dec 15).

It is a good choice because Dec 15 is also a monthly, .

.and with just a few days until earnings, the increase in IV "should" offset any time decay from such a short term option,

Then you get the added benefit of the most amount of gamma

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4 hours ago, IgorK said:

@NikTam How do you set up? Do you have GTC orders?  How do you calculate order price?

I haven't set them up yet.  Will wait until Monday.  Which is not great but I don't want to set something up and then have a weekend event negatively impact.

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3 hours ago, krisbee said:

I got that update and was able to look at it after the markets were closed. As NFLX was closing above the trigger indicated in the article, the bull squeeze has been initiated. However, looking at the Dec 22 options (15 DTE), and the 90-40 deltas, it appears that the investment will be about $1278 for a profit of (187.5-170)*100-1278 = $472 - costs. I believe that it cannot be traded in any significant numbers... the OI for the 90 delta calls is 3!! The only way to trade is to go out to the Jan 19, 2018, calls. The investment will be around $2885 for $1115 return minus expenses. Percentage wise it is almost the same but I think can be traded. The 15 DTE options can't really be traded here. Most importantly, with just an OI of 3, I think even the CMLviz people did not participate in any significant volume in their own dance!

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6 hours ago, siddharth310584 said:

what ADBE trade do you have set up for Monday. Earnings are not till 12/21 and the back test is 3 days before.

I think Adobe website confirms 12-14.  

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4 hours ago, siddharth310584 said:

It closed below 186.05. Why do you think it triggered ?

You are right... I am not sure what I saw to think that it was triggered ...

 

any way, the premise that the system cannot be traded with calls with 15 DTE due to low OI remains true...

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2 hours ago, NikTam said:

I think Adobe website confirms 12-14.  

I checked Adobe's website... https://www.adobe.com/investor-relations/calendar.html

and it indeed states that the earnings data is 12/14. Strangely, it also states that Last updated: October 24, 2017. So I wonder why there was such a confusion about its date... or maybe that date was not updated.

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1 hour ago, Sirion said:

Closed for 4.35. About 40% gain with commissions. 

Not having the same success. I bought the adobe 177.5 call when there was a dip today at 175 but it has kept falling :/ 

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2 hours ago, krisbee said:

I'm planning to reenter for same price i did earlier or close to that. It's approaching there now.

What price do you have a limit order at. The price is close now and wondering g whether to pull the trigger 

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34 minutes ago, Sirion said:

It seems my timing was very fortunate. I may re-enter today as well.

Looks like ADBE volatile like NVDA. Keeps going down.

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I closed out COST earlier.

I had bought Jan $188,$190, and $193 calls.

I paid $4.30 for the $188, and sold for $5.45

Paid $3.50 for $190, sold for $4.35

and $2.50 for $193, sold for $3.15

I bought yesterday. So, this is a 1 day result!

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As some of you know, I've been experimenting with the CML blog trades for a few months and tried to follow the trades exactly as posted (though I've screwed up on a few). It used to be that only a handful of the trades had stop limits / gains, but it seems like the more recent ones have almost all had stop limits / gains. I've become more inclined to institute my own limits on those that don't have any built into the backtest. Anyway, here's a trade that's an example of why limits can be really useful... Opened the post-earnings NVDA Dec15 200/210/220/230 iron condor on Nov 13th for $6.35 credit. By Nov 28th, it was trading below $4.50, so I took ~50% gains on all but one spread and held it to continue tracking. Right now (the day the trade is supposed to be closed), that spread is showing an 84% loss. So far, of the 5 post-earnings ICs I've traded, 3 of them have done something very similar to this, though not quite as extreme.

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26 minutes ago, IgorK said:

Did anyone try this one: http://www.cmlviz.com/cmld3b/index.php?number=11828&app=news&cml_article_id=20171204_united-continental-holdings-hits-a-bullish-technical-trigger&source=TM_insights

I added Dec22 59/64 CALL spread for monitoring day before yesterday and it was around 2.90. Now it is mid 3.90. Had to buy :)

I did. Bought the the Dec22 59/65 spread for $3.35 and still holding.

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On 08/12/2017 at 8:39 PM, greenspan76 said:

Yes, entered last Tue at 2.42, and exited on Fri at 3.58. Not all of them have been as successful.

 

I was so fascinated by the posts on this thread (thanks to the regulars like Niktam, krisbee, greenspan etc) that I signed up to CML about a month ago and have thus far completed 21 trades on a 'proof of concept' basis to see if there is a possibility of using CML as a strategy. Most trades have been long calls, and in this bull market, that's like having the wind behind you when you're sailing. I realise that 21 is not a large enough sample size, and I would like to get to at least a 100 trades, both pre- and post- earnings, long calls, short put spreads, IC's etc before I formulate a structured plan for trading CML ideas. But so far the results are good - an average gain of 9.6%, which includes me not managing some of the trades as well as I should have done.

 

For me the the benefits of trading CML ideas are:

 

- low maintenance (almost set and forget in some cases) as long as you have stops/limits in place

- scalable - very easy to have large contracts sizes as many trades are single leg

- low comms - again this due to the single-leg nature, 

- easier fills - dare I say it, due to the single leg nature; also because the profit/loss levels are much higher (40%), it's OK to pay a little more when buying.

- tons of opportunities - a lot of stocks are suitable for these trades, and we often get a double-trip on the ones where there are post-earnings trades too.

 

Negatives :

- feels a little like a lottery, or more of a gamble, as opposed to our carefully crafted, well-analysed, patiently bought cals and hedged straddles

- need to have a large number of trades on the go, so that the losers will be overcome by the winners

 

So far, I'm thoroughly enjoying the kaleidoscope that is CML, and hope to make this a core part of my portfolio.

Happy trading

 

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16 minutes ago, siddharth310584 said:

Anyone getting in this ? Supposed to enter today

Yep, I'm in both the COST and NAV trades.

I also have the DG and AZO post-earnings trades

https://tm2.cmlviz.com/index.php?share_key=s_0_20171118132758_XFWtaw8SVkZ9ROSL

http://www.cmlviz.com/cmld3b/index.php?number=11712&app=news&cml_article_id=20170918_the-volatility-option-trade-after-earnings-in-autozone-inc&source=TM_insights

 

 

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Bot NAV Jan 5 40 calls for $2.00  Earnings on 12/19 BMO.   I went out farther as NAV has often gone up after earnings; so this would give me a reason to hold through earnings if it falls apart before earnings.

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Great find, @krisbee. I opened NAV 42.5 12/29 calls yesterday for 0.8 debit. Closed right now for 1.4 credit. 75% gain. (Only had 1/8 allocation) I see the backtest has average gains of 200%+ for the 30 delta, but I'll take the conservative route and take the profits now. (Also, looking at the backtest, the most iteration in August had a 59% gain)

 

Not much, if any, profit on the straddle though. Had 4:1 ratio, same as SBatch's setup.

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7 minutes ago, IgorK said:

WOW! ADBE and COST started so low...

MU is getting painful as well. At this point it's not worth the commissions to close.. I'm going to break a rule and not use a stop loss, ugh. 

At least COST was up before it came down for me, still ~10% in the green. It has time. ORCL gave away some of it's gains. Not sure what's going on with tech.

Sold NAV for ~70% profit (missed the peak a bit). Covers a bit of the pain. Thanks @krisbee 

NAV straddle doing pretty swell too. Not really at profit taking levels. I went with a strangle too, but at least only 4:1 ratio.

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23 hours ago, krisbee said:

@krisbee, I'm curious, how did you get this link? I didn't see Ophir post it on his blog or his twitter. I even did a search through twitter.

blog

http://www.cmlviz.com/cmld3b/lite.php?app=news&referral=menu

twitter search

https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=nav from%3AOphirGottlieb&src=typd&lang=en

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2 minutes ago, akito said:

 

@krisbee, I'm curious, how did you get this link? I didn't see Ophir post it on his blog or his twitter. I even did a search through twitter.

blog

http://www.cmlviz.com/cmld3b/lite.php?app=news&referral=menu

twitter search

https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=nav from%3AOphirGottlieb&src=typd&lang=en

I am in ADBE 177.5 for 3.10 and COST 180 for 2.55. Theoretically we have almost 3 days. Let's see.

MU I am in Yoesters's 44 calendar.

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8 minutes ago, akito said:

 

@krisbee, I'm curious, how did you get this link? I didn't see Ophir post it on his blog or his twitter. I even did a search through twitter.

blog

http://www.cmlviz.com/cmld3b/lite.php?app=news&referral=menu

twitter search

https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=nav from%3AOphirGottlieb&src=typd&lang=en

I follow lot more guys, and its from one of them. (we use to get many such links, I filter it and post it here)

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2 minutes ago, krisbee said:

I follow lot more guys, and its from one of them. (we use to get many such links, I filter it and post it here)

Ah, ok. Gotcha. Keep it up!

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3 hours ago, siddharth310584 said:

What do ppl feel about the adbe and cost charts. 

I don't like what I see so far for both. Is it a good idea to add to the existing position while it's down?

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4 hours ago, IgorK said:

I am in ADBE 177.5 for 3.10 and COST 180 for 2.55. Theoretically we have almost 3 days. Let's see.

MU I am in Yoesters's 44 calendar.

 

9 minutes ago, IgorK said:

I don't like what I see so far for both. Is it a good idea to add to the existing position while it's down?

Added one contract for each position. Now 2.68 for ADBE and 2.35 for COST. Hopefully it recovers.

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12 minutes ago, IgorK said:

I don't like what I see so far for both. Is it a good idea to add to the existing position while it's down?

Not unless you are only in at a half position.  That’s my opinion.  

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I think the markets are gyrating while waiting for the FOMC meeting outcome.. the announcement is at 2pm on 12/13/2017. 

I am hoping that the markets take off after that... before the so called correction that all the pundits are talking about :)

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6 hours ago, krisbee said:

I follow lot more guys, and its from one of them. (we use to get many such links, I filter it and post it here)

Are these members of SO that post here or are they posting in other forums?

Thank you for the info.

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      Long At-the-Money Straddle * Monthly Options * Back-test length: three-years * Open 6-days Before Earnings * Close 1-day Before Earnings * Holding Period: 5-Days per Earnings   Winning Trades: 5 Losing Trades: 7 Pre-Earnings Straddle Return:  17.1%  Annualized Return:  102% 
      We see a 17.1% return, testing this over the last 12 earnings dates in Broadcom Limited. That's a total of just 60 days (5 days for each earnings date, over 12 earnings dates). That's a annualized rate of 102%. 

      We can also see that this strategy hasn't been a winner all the time, rather it has won 5 times and lost 7 times, but here's the key -- it wins about half of the time, but the average gain per winning trade is substantially larger than the average loss on a losing trade: 
       


      Consistently Successful 
      This idea has also been a successful approach over the last two-years:
      Long At-the-Money Straddle * Monthly Options * Back-test length: two-years * Open 6-days Before Earnings * Close 1-day Before Earnings * Holding Period: 5-Days per Earnings   Winning Trades: 4 Losing Trades: 4 Pre-Earnings Straddle Return:  22%  Annualized Return:  198% 
      Now we see a 22% return, testing this over the last 8 earnings dates which is a annualized rate of 198%. 

      Yet again, we see a trade that wins about half the time, but the average win is much larger than the average loss: 
       


      If you really want to see how we found this, and how to do it for other stocks like Apple, Google and Amazon, here is a 1-minute and 34-second video that every professional option trader would rather that you don't see. 

      Learn more here: Try the Back-tester Yourself

      WHAT HAPPENED 
      There are patterns to stock behaviors before and after earnings and those patterns reveal opportunities in the option market, without taking the actual risk of earnings. You can find them, stock by stock. This is how people profit from the option market -- it's preparation, not luck. 

      To see how to do this for any stock we welcome you to watch this quick demonstration video: 
      Tap Here to See the Tools at Work

      Thanks for reading. 

      Risk Disclosure 
      You should read the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options. 

      Past performance is not an indication of future results. 

      Trading futures and options involves the risk of loss. Please consider carefully whether futures or options are appropriate to your financial situation. Only risk capital should be used when trading futures or options. Investors could lose more than their initial investment. 

      Past results are not necessarily indicative of future results. The risk of loss in trading can be substantial, carefully consider the inherent risks of such an investment in light of your financial condition. 

      Back-test Link
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Ophir Gottlieb
      The Secret Behind Options Pre-Earnings Trading in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC)
       
       
      Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC): The Wonderful Secret Behind Options Pre-Earnings Trading
      Date Published: 2017-05-4

      PREFACE 
      There is a wonderful secret to trading options right before earnings announcements in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) , and really many stocks, that benefits from the rising implied volatility but avoids the risk into the actual earnings release and also avoids any kind of stock direction risk. 

      THE WONDERFUL SECRET 
      What a trader wants to do is to see the results of buying an at the money straddle a few days before earnings, and then sell that straddle just before earnings. 

      The goal, is two-fold: (i) to benefit from that known implied volatility rise, and (ii) to own the straddle for a very short period of time when the stock might move 'a lot,' but never take the risk of actually owning options during the earnings release. 

      If either of those two phenomena occur, there's a very good chance this wins, if neither occur, the amount risked is normally quite small. Here is the setup: 
       


      We are testing opening the position in Intel Corporation 6 days before earnings and then closing the position right before earnings. This is not making any earnings bet. This is notmaking any stock direction bet. 

      Once we apply that simple rule to our back-test, we run it on an at-the-money straddle: 

      RETURNS 
      If we did this long at-the-money (also called '50-delta') straddle in Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) over the last three-years but only held it before earnings we get these results: 
       


      We see a 47.8% return, testing this over the last 12 earnings dates in Intel Corporation. That's a total of just 72 days (6 days for each earnings date, over 12 earnings dates). That's a annualized rate of 242%. 

      We can also see that the win/loss rate is split with 6-wins and 6-losses, yet the return is enormous. That means the winning trades are much larger than the losing trades, which is exactly what a successful trading strategy attempts to do. No magic bullets -- rather smart methodologies for wealth creation. 

      MORE TO IT THAN MEETS THE EYE 
      While this strategy is benefiting from the implied volatility rise into earnings for Intel Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC), what it's really doing is far more intelligent. 

      The ideal stocks for this strategy have a couple of common characteristics: 

      (i) The companies rarely pre-announce earnings -- this is an investment that does not look to make an earnings bet, so an earnings pre-announcement is the opposite of what we're hoping for. 

      (ii) The underlying stock price of these companies tend to move a lot (or some) as earnings approach and various institutions and traders shuffle the stock price around in anticipation of the earnings result. The more one sided the outside world starts betting on direction -- up or down, the better it is to own the straddle. 

      WHAT HAPPENED 
      This is it -- this is how people profit from the option market -- it's preparation, not luck. 

      Test the results on Apple Inc and Alphabet Inc, and the results are staggering. 

      To see how to do this for any stock and for any strategy with just the click of a few buttons, we welcome you to watch this quick demonstration video: 
      Tap Here to See the Tools at Work 

      Thanks for reading. 

      Risk Disclosure 
      You should read the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options. 

      Past performance is not an indication of future results. 

      Trading futures and options involves the risk of loss. Please consider carefully whether futures or options are appropriate to your financial situation. Only risk capital should be used when trading futures or options. Investors could lose more than their initial investment. 

      Past results are not necessarily indicative of future results. The risk of loss in trading can be substantial, carefully consider the inherent risks of such an investment in light of your financial condition. 

      The author has no position in Intel Corporation Inc (NASDAQ:INTC) as of this writing. 

      Back-test Link (does require custom earnings settings).
       
       
       
       
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