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  1. Still, it takes a much smaller price move for reverse iron condors to profit than straddles or strangles. Elements of the Reverse Iron Condor Market-Neutral Strategy The reverse iron condor is a vega positive strategy and aims to profit from increases in volatility. The spread profits from hefty price moves in underlying, regardless of direction. Buyers of reverse iron condors don't care if the market goes up or down as long as it makes a large enough move in either direction to show a profit. Long Premium Conversely to the iron condor spread, the reverse iron condor is net long options, meaning traders must pay a net debit to enter the position. Defined Risk The reverse iron condor is a defined-risk strategy with a predefined maximum loss. Negative Theta Because the reverse iron condor spread is net-long options, it suffers from theta decay. The spread will lose a little bit of money every day as it gets closer to expiration. Reverse Iron Condor Structure: Spread Legs The reverse iron condor is composed of the following options, all with the same expiration date: BUY: 1 out-of-the-money (OTM) put option SELL: 1 out-of-the-money (OTM) put option (lower strike) BUY: 1 out-of-the-money (OTM) call option SELL: 1 out-of-the-money (OTM) call option (higher strike) Here is a visual representation of the reverse iron condor: A reverse iron condor consists of buying an out-of-the-money bull call debit spread above the stock price and an out-of-the-money bear put debit spread below the stock price with the same expiration date. Reverse Iron Condor: P&L Potential and Payoff Diagram Now let's calculate various payoff scenarios for the reverse iron condor. While most modern options trading platforms do this for you, you must intuitively understand the trades you're making. Often, these platforms can be a crutch for novice traders who don't truly understand the nature of the trades they're making. Simply running through the math in your head allows you to contextualize your trades beyond simply looking at max profit and loss figures. Reverse Iron Condor Breakeven Points The upper breakeven price of a reverse iron condor equals the long call strike plus the net premium paid. In contrast, the lower breakeven price equals the long put strike price minus the net premium paid. Let’s translate that to English and use a diagram to make things easier. Going back to our visual graphic of the reverse iron condor from before: In this example, the long call is $401, and the long put is $390. So the only other piece of information we need to calculate our breakeven prices is our net premium paid. For this trade, that is $0.81. Now the calculation is as simple as: Upper strike break-even price: $401 + $0.81 = $401.81 Lower strike breakeven price: $390 - $0.81 = $389.19 Reverse Iron Condor Maximum Loss Calculating your maximum loss for a reverse iron condor trade is the net premium you pay to enter the position. In the case of our example, that is $0.81, making our max loss $0.81. The max loss in a reverse iron condor trade is reached when the underlying trades between the two middle strikes. Here's a diagram to visualize it: Reverse Iron Condor Maximum Profit The maximum profit of a reverse iron condor spread is achieved when the underlying is above the short call strike or below the short put strike at expiration. Going back to our graphic, I've marked the max profit levels with arrows: Reverse Iron Condor Payoff Diagram An options spread's payoff diagram is one of the most important things to understand about a spread. There's so much noise in the options world about one spread being better than the other, that it's easy to lose sight that your market view should dictate your spread choice, not ideology or dogma. When you have a fleshed-out market view, it's easy to look at a payoff diagram and decide if it accurately summarizes that view. Keep that in mind when looking at this payoff profile of a reverse iron condor: You can manipulate a reverse iron condor by the distance between the puts and calls, widening the distance between the short and long strikes, and moving the spread around the options chain. But it'll still look like some version of the above. There's a defined range in which you lose your entire premium. You make the maximum profit if the underlying expires anywhere outside of that range. Matching Options Trade Structure With Your Market View One thing we're trying to nail home in this reverse iron condor primer is the importance of matching your market view to the correct options spread. As an options trader, you're a carpenter, and option spreads are your tools. If you need to tighten a screw, you won't use a hammer but a screwdriver. So before you add a new spread to your toolbox, it's crucial to understand the market view it expresses. One of the worst things you can do as an options trader is structure a trade that is out of harmony with your market outlook. This mismatch is often on display with novice traders. Perhaps a meme stock like GameStop went from $10 to $400 in a few weeks. You're confident the price will revert to some historical mean, and you want to use options to express this view. Novice traders frequently only have outright puts and calls in their toolbox. Hence, they will use the proverbial hammer to tighten a screw in this situation. In this hypothetical, a more experienced options trader might use a bear call spread, as it expresses a bearish directional view while also providing short-volatility exposure. But this trader can be infinitely creative with his trade structuring because he understands how to use options to express his market view appropriately. The nuances of his view might drive him to add skew to the spread, turn it into a ratio spread, and so on. What Market Outlook Does a Reverse Iron Condor Express? A trader using a reverse iron condor expects an increase in implied volatility and has a neutral directional view while maintaining a defined maximum risk. So the trader is bullish on volatility but not bullish enough to buy a long straddle. This becomes useful when a trader expects a modest increase in volatility and it doesn't make sense for the unlimited upside provided by a straddle. For instance, this spread might come in handy for volatility mean reversion trading. Perhaps a stock's implied volatility is at the very low-end of its historical range. A volatility trader who buys volatility in this situation isn't expecting the stock to skyrocket. Instead, he expects volatility to increase modestly and revert to its historical mean. When To Use a Reverse Iron Condor Binary Event Trading Events like FDA drug approval decisions, Federal Reserve meetings, or significant court rulings are highly binary, unlike earnings that allow for more open-ended interpretation of results. The FDA either approves a drug or it doesn't. Depending on the outcome, a stock could crater or skyrocket. But the looming possibility is the ultimate decision was largely priced-in, and the stock barely moves. This is a nightmare for a trader who owns a straddle, which is highly likely to be significantly underwater due to the high implied volatility he paid for it. The same goes for Fed meetings and court decisions. Volatility Mean Reversion The "standard" volatility model in the quantitative finance world is the GARCH (Generalized Autoregressive Conditional Heteroskedasticity) model. One of the core tenets of the model is that volatility is mean-reverting. It's generally accepted in the volatility trading world that volatility tends to revert to its historical mean following short-term spikes. As a result, many volatility traders focus on selling volatility when its historically expensive and buying it when volatility is below its mean. A volatility trader making a mean reversion trade often doesn't expect a massive spike in volatility but rather a modest increase in line with its historical mean. For this reason, trade structures like straddles and strangles often don't make sense. Some volatility traders aren't looking for convexity but are just trading volatility back in line with its mean. While there are a lot of big words in there, the concept is almost the same as a trader buying a stock when it has a very low RSI (relative strength index) reading, as it indicates the current price is relatively low compared to history. Earnings Volatility Trading In a similar sense to volatility mean reversion trading, sometimes you might think that the options market underestimates a stock's post-earnings move. Perhaps the stock's post-earnings realized volatility has outpaced implied volatility for several consecutive quarters, or maybe you think the market is missing an element of change within the company that will be explained in the earnings report. Whatever that may be, sometimes a straddle or strangle doesn't fit your view of how implied volatility will evolve over the life of the trade. Perhaps you expect a modest increase in volatility, or perhaps you're trading a high-flying stock with very expensive options, and you'd prefer to make your bet more cheaply. Risk Aversion Most options traders cut their teeth selling volatility and have had the idea that "implied volatility is often overstated" drilled into their head. Some traders like to make bets on volatility but can't stomach paying out the heft premiums associated with buying a straddle. The risk aversion associated with buying options alone is one reason some traders will turn to reverse iron condors. Reverse Iron Condor Trade Example For instance, let's go back in time to 2016 when Google (GOOG) reported its Q1 2016 earnings. The options market was pricing in a $41 or 5.3% move following the earnings release. You had a few options if you wanted to take the "over" on the market's implied volatility estimate. Let's compare the straddle, the standard-bearer for earnings-related volatility trades, and the reverse iron condor. Google (GOOG) At-The-Money (Weekly) Straddle: Buy 1 760 Put Buy 1 760 Call Trade Cost: $41 debit In this case, a trader who was long the straddle needed Google to move $41 just to break even on the trade. However, he would also have unlimited profit potential if the stock moved significantly. A slightly less-than-expected earnings move would've shown a small loss. Now let's look at the equivalent reverse iron condor: Google (GOOG) (Weekly) Reverse Iron Condor: Buy 1 745 Put Sell 1 750 Put Buy 1 775 Call Sell 1 780 Call Trade Cost: $1.75 net debit The reverse iron condor only required a $20 move to break even (above $780 or below $740) to make money. Following the report, Google (GOOG) stock moved $40 and closed at $719. So even though Google's earnings move was in line with market expectations, this reverse iron condor still made a 43% gain because Google closed at $719, below the 740 short put strike. The Risks of Reverse Iron Condors The biggest drawback of the reverse iron condor is that when you’re long volatility, the underlying stock needs to move more than your “hurdle rate,” which is the net debit you pay for the options spread. This drawback is especially evident when it comes to earnings volatility trades. Implied volatility will significantly decline if the stock doesn't move enough after an earnings release. This phenomenon is called IV Crush. It refers to the tendency for implied volatility to decrease significantly when an earnings release concludes. How Options Gurus Mislead Traders About Iron Condors So, losing all of your premium is entirely possible when trading these, despite what options trading gurus might claim. Unfortunately, many gurus present both iron condors and reverse iron condors as nearly risk-free strategies, completely ignoring the genuine risks. For instance, a Seeking Alpha contributor suggested the following trade in a past Google earnings release when Google was trading at $632: Buy twenty (20) April Week 2 $610.00 put options Sell twenty (20) April Week 2 $600.00 put options Buy twenty (20) April Week 2 $650.00 call options Sell twenty (20) April Week 2 $660.00 call options Rationale behind the trade: "Google is a notorious big-mover after reporting. I am completely confident that the trade recommendation I am writing about will work like a charm." This writer failed to recognize the risks of options trading. Following the Google earnings release he was betting on, Google closed at $624, and the trade lost 100%. As our contributor Chris (cwelsh) mentioned in the comments section: "Earnings are wild and unpredictable. A careful analysis and you can improve your odds, but you always have to factor in position sizing and potential loss into any trade. My entire point of my posts was that I think a discussion of risks should always be included in any article that discusses huge potential gains." Here's another example of gurus failing to educate readers on the genuine risks associated with reverse iron condors: "The Debit Iron Condor is used primarily on stocks that have a long history of big moves when announcing their quarterly earnings. We have a very good idea of how big the move will be, in one direction or the other. And the amazing thing about studying history is that history truly repeats itself, and that means a big percentage of wins. The magic works when the Debit Iron Condor is combined with big moves from stocks on earnings day." Yet again, this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of trading. While it's true that reverse iron condors often have a very high probability of success, the losing trades tend to be multiples of your average winning trade. So it's not a foolproof strategy. The balancing act between win rate and risk/reward requires the same amount of attention as it does when you're trading an ordinary stock trading strategy. Reducing the Risk of Implied Volatility Crush in Earnings Trades One way to reduce the risk of reverse iron condors when making earnings trades is to focus on more distant expirations. While much of the literature on trading earnings with reverse iron condors focuses on weekly options, those are the options that IV Crush punishes the most. Options trading is very much about tradeoffs with respect to time. When you're a net-buyer of options, you'd prefer to have as much time for the market to work in your favor as possible. However, additional time to expiration can come at a steep cost. On the other hand, expirations in the range of 20-40 days won't feel the brunt of IV Crush as much as weekly options. Hedged Reverse Iron Condor One way to reduce the risk of Reverse Iron Condor is to hedge it. This would involve adding a calendar spread in the middle of the long and short strikes, basically hedging the "weak spot" of the Reverse Iron Condor. This is how the trade looked like: The trade was opened on March 16 and closed 8 days later for 18.9% gain. The stock price basically remained unchanged, Reverse iron Condor alone would lose 23%, but calendar gains far exceeded the RIC losses. Bottom Line The reverse iron condor options spread is an excellent choice for situations where you expect the stock to make a significant price move but you don't want to make a directional price bet. Because the maximum profit and loss of the spread are predictable, it makes it far easier to adjust strikes based on your market expectations. This options spread can be successfully used for trading stocks with a history of significant earnings moves that the options market tends to underestimate. The trick is identifying these stocks in real-time rather than after the fact when everyone has caught on. Subscribe to SteadyOptions now and experience the full power of options trading at your fingertips. Click the button below to get started! Join SteadyOptions Now!
  2. So what do you do when your most successful strategies suddenly become much riskier? The answer: you are looking for new opportunities. Our long time contributor @Yowstercame with the following idea: For those of you not familiar with RIC (Reverse Iron Condor) - it is a limited risk, limited profit trading strategy that is designed to earn a profit when the underlying stock price makes a sharp move in either direction. The RIC Spread is where you buy an Iron Condor Spread from someone who is betting on the underlying stock staying stagnant. This is not a new strategy for us - we have traded it successfully back in 2012, but the current version is slightly different and more suited for the current environment. Our first RIC was opened on November 27, 2018: This is how P/L chart looked like: Fast forward to Dec.4 - NVDA moved to $170+, and the trade has been closed for 81.4% gain. It is worth to mention that such high gain is not typical for this strategy. Normally, we aim for 15-20% gains. But sometimes stocks gap in the right direction, and you can get much higher gains. As @Yowstermentioned in the strategy description on the forum: Reverse Iron Condor (RIC) trades can be used during periods of elevated market volatility to take advantage of stock price movement that is more common during these timeframes. A RIC trade is buying OTM put and call debit spreads. RICs are vega positive trades, meaning they are helped by rising IV and hurt by falling IV. However, the degree by which IV changes affect the RIC are much less compared to hedged/unhedged straddles – this is simply because they have equal number of long and short legs using the same expiration and the strikes are relatively close to one another. Therefore, using RICs instead of straddles during elevated market volatility has 2 main advantages: Better handle the scenario of IV significantly falling back down closer to normal levels – Straddle RV can decline 10% or more in one day that has the VIX drop significantly, and 30% or more during a multi-day significant VIX decline. It will take a lot of gamma gains due to stock price movement to overcome that drop, and if it’s a hedged straddle its more likely that short strangle losses will exceed long straddles gain when this happens. RICs can still get hurt by IV decline (especially if the stock price winds up being near the midpoint) but if you get some stock price movement away from the midpoint the RIC will be in better shape. Easier to make good gains despite IV decline – if the significant IV decline comes with a larger stock price move (fairly common when IV spikes downward) then the RIC can still have a very nice profit if the stock price movement takes the stock price near one of the wings. The biggest negative of RICs compared to hedged straddles is that you’ll need the stock price to move to make a profit. Hedged straddles can make gains due to short strangle credits when the stock price doesn’t move, and this is why hedged straddles are great trades to initiate during low volatility times because its less likely that any market wide volatility decline will significantly hurt the trade (and any IV rise will help it). Since starting trading RIC strategy in late November 2018, we closed 12 winners out of 12 trades: BABA +20.3% FB +20.0% GS +15.4% AXP +10.2% GS +5.7% GS +19.9% MSFT +19.7% FB +20.5% MSFT +15.9% GS +17.9% NVDA +38.4% NVDA +81.4% Of course, the strategy is not without risks - you need the stock to move in order to make a gain. However, in the current environment, if you select the stocks that have tendency to move, you improve the probabilities significantly. When the market conditions change, you need to be flexible and trade what is working. And this is exactly what we do at SteadyOptions. Related articles: Reverse Iron Condor Strategy Straddle, Strangle Or Reverse Iron Condor (RIC)? How We Trade Straddle Option Strategy
  3. The assumption is that with careful stock selection, this strategy has a very high probability of success. I performed extensive backtesting on number of stocks, and the results were very promising. Stocks like AMZN and LNKD showed average gains of 30-35%. However, I also mentioned that this strategy has higher risk than other strategies that we use since earnings are unpredictable. High Probability High Risk is the right definition of this strategy. Not a good start.. Our first trade was NFLX. The stock has been selected based on its historical moves. It moved 13.7% on average in the last 8 cycles. The options predicted 17% move. The RIC trade was structured in a way that it required only 8% post-earnings move. What are the odds that the stock will move only 0.13% post-earnings? Slim to none if you asked anyone before earnings. Yet this is exactly what happened. We had a chance to close the trade at small loss or with some luck, even a small gain. But with 3 days left to expiration, we decided to wait. The stock reversed, resulting a 46.9% loss. Not a good start. The next one was AMZN. This one actually worked not bad. It did not move as much as expected, but still moved enough to produce a 21.2% gain. The real disaster came with the next two trades, GOOG and TSLA. The stocks moved much less than expected, reversed after the initial move and the trades have lost 70.6% and 100% respectively. With better risk management, all three losers could be closed for a small loss or even a small gain. I posted a full post mortem here (members only forum). Some members with higher risk tolerance decided to hold longer and were able to book 30-40%+ gains on AMZN and GOOG. In some cases the difference between significant loss and decent gain was a pure luck. What went wrong? This strategy is based on probabilities. If a stock moves xxx% in the last 8 cycles, there is a high probability that it will follow the same pattern the next cycle. However, probability is not certainty. There is always a chance that this cycle will be different. What are the chances that ALL 4 stocks will not follow the last cycles pattern? Not high, but this is exactly what happened. This is why you always need to have plan B. You always need to know in advance what to do if the trade does not behave as expected. It's called an exit plan to cut the loss. Instead of trying to cut the loss (and give up some potential gains), we continued holding, "hoping" that the stock will eventually make a move consistent with its historical patterns. It just did not happen. It all comes to what kind of trader you want to be. Is your goal to limit the losses or to maximize the gains? You cannot have it both ways. Higher gains come with higher risk and inevitably will produce some big losers. My first priority has always been limiting the losses. This time I tried to go for higher gains instead of limiting the losses, and it fired back big time. To be fair, all four trades could easily produce 30-40% gains with some more luck and more favorable market conditions. Main lessons Look for a good setup. Even if a stock is a good candidate historically, the options might be too expensive this time, decreasing your chances. Get out quickly once it becomes clear that the stock did not produce the expected move and the trade is borderline. Most of the time it should be possible to limit the loss to 10-20%. This rule might miss some gains, but at least we won't have catastrophic losses like we had this cycle. Close the short options of the losing side early, especially if there is still couple days till expiration. This way if the stock reverses, the losing side will benefit more. The probabilities will eventually play out, but while they don't, do everything you can to stay in the game. Limiting losses is all that matters. Always follow the rules. Generally speaking, if you consider this (or any other) strategy too risky, reduce your allocation or don't trade it. In a broader context, I always recommend that new members start with paper trading, then start small and increase the allocation gradually. Prove yourself that you can make money with 10k account for few months, then increase it to 20k etc. Don't jump right away from 10k to 50k or 100k. What's next? I feel the pain as much as my members do since I trade the exact same trades in my personal account. This was a very expensive lesson for all of us. However, I believe each lesson should benefit us and make us better traders. After a losing streak, your first impulse might be to overtrade in attempt to recover the losses. HUGE MISTAKE. The market doesn't know that you have lost money. And it doesn't care. If you tell yourself "now I really need some nice winners to cover for the losses", it's a safe path to more losses. What separates good traders from bad is how you react to your losses. "There's a difference between knowing the path... and walking the path." - Morpheus. To paraphrase Morpheus sentence, "there's a difference between knowing that there will be losers... and actually experiencing them". In a probability game, it is guaranteed that we will eventually experience a string of losses. The right thing to do is continue to execute our trading plan that has worked so well for us in the last 4+ years. Summary It gets tough when we experience losses or poor performances and that's where most traders quit because in the first place they never accepted emotionally that they are playing a probability game. As soon as a few losing trades and/or a drawdown of any kind occurs they hit the eject button and continue in their search for the Holy Grail strategy that always wins. Jumping from one trading system to another will only lead to more frustration. Only when you will accept emotionally that you are playing a probability game, you will be able to take your trading to the next level. We present a variety of strategies to our members. Some are more risky than others. Members have different risk tolerance and should take the risk levels of different trades into consideration before trading. Before entering each one of those trades, I made a full disclosure that those are relatively risky trades, so members have all the information to make an educated decision. To put things in perspective, the current string of losers is our biggest losing streak since inception. I encourage current and prospective members to look at the big picture. The big picture is that SteadyOptions produced over 770% non-compounded ROI since inception. The big picture is our history of 800+ trades and not only the last 10 trades. One bad month does not erase 4+ years of exceptional gains. Losses are part of the game, and if you can not endure losses, you should not be trading. Your maximum drawdown is ahead of you, not behind you. We will continue executing our trading plan, and those who have the discipline and patience to stay the course will be greatly rewarded. Start Your Free Trial Related Articles: Are You EMOTIONALLY Ready To Lose? Why Retail Investors Lose Money In The Stock Market Are You Ready For The Learning Curve? Can you double your account every six months? Big Drawdowns Are Part Of The Game