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Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that. The model portfolio is $10k, but I use a $20k portfolio so all my trades are double size. Since Yowster starting managing the strategy in July 2024, I've had total profits of ~$14,300 after paying ~$2735 in commissions. I just switched to using Tradier for this strategy in May, so most of the commissions are from IB. I'm pretty happy with it overall. Maybe I should have not overemphasized the commission difference in my prior post because if you can't use a cheaper brokerage, the results have still been pretty good with IB2 points
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I use IB for a lot of trading, but these TLT trades, in my opinion, are too expensive there so I use Tradier for them. However, I made these trades at IB before I switched to using Tradier so I can give you real numbers on the commission differences. Over several hundred contracts of TLT butterflies at both brokers, my average commission per contract at IB was (EDIT: $0.5041....not the $1.138 I posted originally) and my average at Tradier is (EDIT: $0.11925...not the $0.214 I mistakenly posted originally. Tradier does charge a $10/month for Tradier Pro, which is spread across many other contracts for me. But even if you only traded these TLT trades at Tradier and you only did 15 butterflies per month, it would cost you around (EDIT: $14.31 commission...not the 25.68 I originally posted) + $10 monthly fee = $24.31. Whereas at IB, the same trade would be roughly (EDIT: $60.49...not the $136.56 I originally posted). Those are total costs to open + close just as a comparison of the difference2 points
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As you probably know, each dot represents the midpoint price of the position at different points in time throughout the day. When you see bigger variations like this with the dots when the stock price stays around the same level its likely that the bid/ask spreads are wider so the midpoint price is jumping around a lot. It can also be a bigger change in RV but that is less likely.2 points
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@TradeBobby @Bhavan1986 I think I have found the issue, but it's going to take many hours to reimport and recalculate everything.2 points
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No, you're right. Sorry for the mistake. I'll update my post so noone is misled in the future. I did a quick formula on the last 5 butterfly trades at IB and last 3 at Tradier and failed to double the contracts at IB to account for open + close, so my numbers for IB are off. The funny thing is I looked at the last IB trade to verify it looked right and on that particular trade, the cost/contract was about $1.10, so I assumed the overall number was correct. Thanks for pointing that out. So I went back and looked at all TLT butterflies I've traded since 2024 and the actual cost/contract at IB was $0.5041. The actual cost/contract at Tradier was $0.11925. The other numbers I posted on total commissions paid and net after-commission profit is correct, though - that includes all SteadyYields trades and not just TLT. (As a side note, I had a few months where I traded more than 10k option contracts at IB, so I believe that made commissions lower than normal just on those months)1 point
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@greenspan76 your comment about your experiences with IB commissions on the TLT trades made me look at my commissions for every 15-lot TLT fly this year. As you know IB commissions vary, but my range across all of those trades was a low of ~$0.35 and a high of ~$1.05 per contract (with only two trades of paying $1.00+). The average across all those trades was ~$0.60 per contract, so much lower than what you have observed. At that $0.60 rate the total commission to both open and close the trade was $4.80 for each fly (4 legs on open and close) - and with each fly typically costing ~$200 that commission is 2.4%. Ideally, I'd like under 1% impact per trade, but these are 4 leg trades so while not ideal the commission impact is bearable. Of course if you can lower fees and the same fills with another broker then that is better. The question is why your IB commissions are so much higher than mine, I have nothing special or out of the ordinary tied to my IB account.1 point
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The losses were with the previous manager who did a terrible job. Yowster has been managing it since the other guy was ousted, and there has been good returns. Read the postings on the Forum or follow Kim's email updates on Steady Yields. Sarang1 point
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1. IBKR is a very low commission broker. I have used them for several years with both Steady Yields, and also better yet with Steady Collars strategies. Their commission structure as well as low Margin interest rates allow you to keep most of the profits for yourself. 2. You can read about it in the Forum Steady Yields Sarang1 point
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Welcome to Steady Options! Please spend few minutes to read this post, the Frequently Asked Questions and the Useful Links. It will be time well spent. SteadyOptions is a premium options trading advisory service. We offer a combination of a high quality education and actionable trade ideas. Our forums and the trading community are the heart of the service. The focus of the service is on non-directional strategies like Long Straddles/Strangles, Calendars, Butterflies, Iron Condors etc. We always trade defined-risk strategies, never naked options. You need to create a forum account to get access to the service. We are sharing our trades with full explanation of the Greeks, the risk/reward, the best time to entry/exit, price targets etc. Full follow-up is provided, including entry, adjustments and exit. You might expect 10-15 trade ideas per month. We will usually have about 4-6 trades open, some are short term (2-6 days), some medium term (3-5 weeks). We use portfolio approach and will have trades balancing each other in terms of theta/vega/gamma. Please note that suggested portfolio size for SO trades is $10,000-$100,000. We do NOT recommend trading accounts larger than $100,000 due to potential liquidity issues. We recommend using one of our other services for larger portfolios. We will also provide options education. I encourage you to ask questions about options trading. Please note that we don't provide auto-trading. SteadyOptions is an educational resource. I want my members to be in a full control of their trading. In addition, SEC considers newsletters that engage in auto-trading to be investment advisers, and I am not licensed to be an investment adviser. So most newsletter that engage in auto-trading are breaking the law and are exposed to lawsuits like this one. You can read more details here. The SteadyOptions forum has several sub-forums (access to members only): SteadyOptions Trades - this is where the official trades are posted. Any trade posted on this forum by any of the contributors @Kim @Yowster @krisbee or @TrustyJules is considered an official trade. SteadyOptions Discussions - This is where we discuss our trades. Unofficial Trade Ideas - This is where we discuss our unofficial trade ideas. In addition, SteadyOptions members have access to all Members forums where we discuss general issues, strategies etc. You can start topics and post on each subforum except “Trades Discussions” and “SteadyOptions trades”. You can reply on “Trades Discussions” forum. Each trade has a separate topic in “Trades Discussions” and “SteadyOptions trades”. The SteadyOptions Trades forum is used for posting our trades. To get notifications about my trades, you will need to follow that forum (by clicking "Follow this forum" button). Each trade has a separate topic, with our entry price, exit price and some comments. We will start a topic for each trade in the “Trades Discussions” subforum and you will be able to post your replies. You will need to specifically follow each forum you want to get updates from. When you follow the forum, you will get an email about every new topic in that forum. If you are interested getting emails about new posts in that topic, you will need to follow that topic. We recommend to follow all forums to get notified when new trade or trade discussion is posted. You can also follow specific members to get notified every time they post. SteadyOptions model portfolio is based on 10% allocation per trade (some trades are 5% and considered half allocation). Average of 5-6 trades is open at any given time. Performance returns are based on the entire portfolio, not just what was at risk. Please note that we usually don't hold our trades through earnings, unless specifically indicated. More details: Why We Sell Our Straddles Before Earnings Why We Sell Our Calendars Before Earnings Our goal is to share our experience and to help you to become a better trader. The trading notifications are based on our real trades that we are sharing with subscribers in real time. SteadyOptions is not a recommendation letter and I am not a financial adviser. However, let me give you few general tips: We encourage you to do your own homework before following any of our trades. If you are new to options or to those strategies, start with paper trading, then start small and increase your allocation as you gain more experience and confidence. Try to understand what we are doing. Ask questions. This is why we have the forum, and we welcome questions and discussions, no matter how basic they are. Don't wait for our notification if you like the trade. Enter if you like it. Exit based on your own profit targets. Our advice to members: learn the strategies and make them your own. Do NOT blindly follow the trade notifications. You need to understand what we are doing in order to adjust your entries and exists to changing market conditions and be proactive. SteadyOptions is a trading ideas generator rather than an alert service. If you are using it as a pure alert service, you are not taking advantage of all the wealth of knowledge and learning we offer. If you expect a pure alert service where trading alerts are just delivered to you without any effort and time commitment, this service is not for you. You will be expected to invest time and effort, please do NOT sign up if you are not willing to do it. I recommend reading My Seven Stages of being an SO Member to get a better understanding of how veteran members are using the service. My commitment to you: I want to make money with you, not from you. All I ask from you is to give me a fair chance. If you decide that you like the style, give it some time to work. Don't give up after a couple of bad trades. We are here for the long run. Don't concentrate on short term performance. Concentrate on your education. Concentrate on managing risk. If you do that, the profits will come. How to make the best use of SteadyOptions For the benefit of the new members, here is how SteadyOptions works and how to make the best use of your subscription. We use a limited number of non-directional strategies, described in the following topics (access to members only): SteadyOptions strategies How we trade straddles and strangles How we trade pre-earnings calendars How we trade Iron Condors How we trade Calendar Spreads How we trade butterfly spreads Full list of "Must Read Topics" is displayed on the right side on the main forum page. Please make sure to read it. You will need a margin account to trade most of those strategies. Here is how we trade the earnings trades: Every week we post post a list of trading candidates for the next week in Earnings Trades Discussions forum. We have some general discussion about the candidates. We will post a separate topic for each candidate I think it suitable, with analysis of the suggested prices, average move, previous cycle etc. The topic will always include a link to one of the relevant strategy topics above. This allows members to do their homework and to see if they like the potential trade. If you agree with the analysis, you can go ahead and make the trade. We will try to get the trade at the best possible price. When we do, we post it under the Trades forum. You should follow this forum to get email notification about the trade. We recommend that you try to get the trade as close as possible to the alert price. We don't recommend chasing trades. We cannot tell you what is the maximum price you should pay. It is your decision. Sometimes you will be able to get the trade the next day cheaper. Sometimes you will miss the trade. We make about 10-15 trades each month in our model portfolio plus similar number of "unofficial" trades. Don't feel obligated to take all of them. After entering the trade, please set reasonable price target. We usually start with fairly aggressive target and lower it as we get closer to earnings. Please look at liquidity, especially if you trade large amount of contracts. For our earnings trades, it is very important to close them before earnings to avoid significant loss. Here is an example of a discussion topic: And a following trade notification: In addition to earnings trades, we also trade different non-directional strategies not related to earnings. There are also many unofficial trades in a dedicated Unofficial Trade Ideas forum. Those trades are not tracked but they are integral part of the service. They are usually posted by me or one of our Mentors and are based on the same strategies as official trades. They don't make it to the "official" model portfolio for various reasons, such as: model portfolio full, size of the trade too big to fit the $10k model portfolio etc. We set different profit targets and stop losses for different strategies, and we also recommend that members set their own price targets. The best way to use SteadyOptions is to learn the strategies and make them your own. If you do that, you will be able to take full advantage of our service. You will be able to make your own decisions, based on our discussions. Getting good fills is part of the learning process. Over time when members gain more experience, they learn how to get better fills. Many members started as complete novices and now they take the trades even before I do and get better results in some cases. But those things take time. I highly recommend following the discussion topics to see how other members utilize the service. I also recommend following our Mentors for valuable tips and insights (more about our Mentoring Program). If you cannot get a fill on the exact trade, there are many ways to trade the same strategy (using different strikes, different expirations etc.) If you understand how our strategies work, you will be able to do it and see what other members do. I see the community as the most valuable part of the service. New members, please spend some time getting familiar with the forum and the strategies before jumping into live trades. Why SteadyOptions is different There are many services that trade exclusively one strategy, like credit spreads. While they might make decent returns 9-10 months per year, 1-3 bad months when the markets make sharp moves can wipe out months of returns. At SteadyOptions, we offer a complete portfolio approach. We use a diversified approach by trading a mix of non-directional market neutral strategies and balancing the portfolio Greeks. In order to hedge our theta positive gamma negative trades (like Condors and Calendars), we will always have gamma positive trades like straddles or strangles. We will discuss the following key elements for our earnings trades: Which strategy is appropriate for the specific stock. When is the best time to enter. What is the optimal entry price. Backtesting of previous cycles. What is the appropriate adjustment. What is the profit target. How Theta, Vega and Gamma impact those trades. Please make sure to read Frequently Asked Questions for more details. Finally, a quote of one of our members: I see SO as an educational course with live trades examples and the ability to discuss them with a like minded community. I don't expect or frankly care to perform as well or the same as the official returns, for the most part I don't even enter official trades unless it fits with my own strategy. Or the sectors/symbols that I like investing in and a myriad of other factors. So far, I learned a great deal directly and indirectly from SO and see a good ROI from both trades and knowledge accumulation. The truth is that about 90% of options traders will either breakeven or lose money. The same applies to any competitive sport or business, 90% will give up and stop playing, 9% will be considered average or good players and the top 1% the pro athletes will thrive. The copy and paste approach doesn't work for options... there are no shortcuts. Don't expect to look or learn how a marathon runner is running and expect to be able to run the marathon faster or even at the same pace. A person search for a one solution fix all or the "holy grail" is futile, there is no such a thing. The only thing that works is hard work, dedication and continuous learning. Every athlete will tell you the same.1 point
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I just got the following message from one of my contacts: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/60218423/Sheridan_Options_Mentoring,_LLC https://businessbankruptcies.com/cases/sheridan-options-mentoring-llc https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/60218431/Daniel_Gerard_Sheridan1 point
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Yes, most of the time it is possible to enter hours after the trade has been posted, sometimes even the next day. Of course the entry will depend of the underlying price - if the price moved significantly, sometimes the trade price can change as well. But for the most part, those are very slowly moving trades. The implementation is very different from the previous one. Yes, June 2024 performance would be very different from the previous implementation. In fact, it is possible it would actually make money in June 2024.1 point
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